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Sea · Post by **Sea** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:04 pm

Thanks to some of your suggestions on an earlier thread I posted

... I've recently been thinking about going to the TC Powercore Firewire with the MD3 Stereo Mastering package and the VSS3 Verb that originally came with the System 6000.

However, what about the UAD-1? How does it compete with the System 6000 stuff for the PowerCore?

Here's the link to the MD3 Stereo Mastering http://www.tcelectronic.com/MD3PowerCore

Here's the link to the VSS3 verb http://www.tcelectronic.com/VSS3PowerCore

Thanks for the help!

SEA

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:19 pm

on the UAD there's the precision-limiter - i don't think it can
compete with TCs MD3 when it comes to realy high-professional
audio. But look at the price difference: MD3 + TC Powercore = 2000 € , Prec_limit (150€) + 385€ for UAD-1 = 535€

I never tried an Powercore System but i'm very happy with the quality of the UAD-1

Sea · Post by **Sea** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:37 pm

verstaerker wrote:on the UAD there's the precision-limiter - i don't think it can
compete with TCs MD3 when it comes to realy high-professional
audio. But look at the price difference: MD3 + TC Powercore = 2000 € , Prec_limit (150€) + 385€ for UAD-1 = 535€

I never tried an Powercore System but i'm very happy with the quality of the UAD-1

Thanks for your input. Isn't $$$ always the case

Checking out your tunes now

SEA

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:19 pm

I think its also worth considering whether or not you'd get a bet deal with hardware. I mean, if a top notch verb is what you want and you're prepared to pay that much money, why not just get a hi end Lexi or Eventide? Or even a TC!

Like 'verstaerker' said, if you're going to pay 2000 then might as well pick the best! In that range you have you're choice. I bet you could get an old Mix24 card for that, then you could have Reverb One and all the other sweet PT plugs.

Sea · Post by **Sea** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:45 pm

tee boy wrote:I think its also worth considering whether or not you'd get a bet deal with hardware. I mean, if a top notch verb is what you want and you're prepared to pay that much money, why not just get a hi end Lexi or Eventide? Or even a TC!

Like 'verstaerker' said, if you're going to pay 2000 then might as well pick the best! In that range you have you're choice. I bet you could get an old Mix24 card for that, then you could have Reverb One and all the other sweet PT plugs.

With the TC Powercore you get 14 highend plugs that don't use your CPU.

One of them is VoiceStrip, which is a complete voice processing channel that includes Compression, De-Essing, a dedicated Voice EQ, Lo Cut Filter and Gate.

And because it's firewire... you can move it from computer to computer... So.. there is a lot of advantages.

Here's a link to the plugs that comes with it.
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=1586

SEA

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:24 am

I'd like a firewire POCO, but i'm concerned that the good plugins are optional extras - and i'm guessing they will have some additional copy protection which defeats the desirability of the hardware unit being the dongle. So as well as worrying about whether the firewire driver software will remain updated with OS upgrades, you have the additional worry that you can still authenticate your expensive software in the future. I'm much happier with my ArtsAcoustic plugin. Seriously - if you are interested in high-end reverb you need to check this out for yourself. Taste in reverb is obviously a highly individual thing, but there is actually no technical reason why a cheap VST reverb couldn't be equal or better to a PoCo reverb. My opinion of TC reverb is only based on convolution impulses, but that has given me a taste of TC reverb so I know the real thing is very good. BUT - i'm very happy with the sound and the flexibility of ArtsAcoustic, compared to the TC3000 impulses that I love. That never been the case with any other VST reverb until now.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:39 am

Sea wrote:
tee boy wrote:I think its also worth considering whether or not you'd get a bet deal with hardware. I mean, if a top notch verb is what you want and you're prepared to pay that much money, why not just get a hi end Lexi or Eventide? Or even a TC!

Like 'verstaerker' said, if you're going to pay 2000 then might as well pick the best! In that range you have you're choice. I bet you could get an old Mix24 card for that, then you could have Reverb One and all the other sweet PT plugs.
With the TC Powercore you get 14 highend plugs that don't use your CPU.

One of them is VoiceStrip, which is a complete voice processing channel that includes Compression, De-Essing, a dedicated Voice EQ, Lo Cut Filter and Gate.

And because it's firewire... you can move it from computer to computer... So.. there is a lot of advantages.

Here's a link to the plugs that comes with it.
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=1586

SEA

True, true. But how good are those plugins, really? Iv not used them so i dont have a bias either way (infact Im kinda hoping they are all that!). But something in my gut tells me that £300 (price of Poco Element) doesnt buy you the 14 of the finest processers out there. If I were spending big money Id be wanting big quality. If the Poco can delivery this, then long live TC! I guess I'll have to wait until I can afford to splash out on an Element and some of the new plugins.

magnumopus · Post by **magnumopus** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:55 am

I'm really interested in going to a powercore Firewire.... does TC have any definitive specs on instances of their plugs... I use Nuendo 2.0 on a powerbook 1ghz, and I want to be able to mix in the box with some more juice.

Sea · Post by **Sea** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:04 am

greendoor wrote:I'm much happier with my ArtsAcoustic plugin. Seriously - if you are interested in high-end reverb you need to check this out for yourself.

I've checked out ArtAcoustic Verb and it's good! I might get a copy soon. Perhaps just building a faster machine is the way eh? I know there's a lot of ways to get the same job done... at it all comes down to 2 stereo tracks in the end right?

The new Intel boards are supposed to support 4 processors. So with you had four 4 gHz processores, and ram up the wazoo... then boxes like TC would becomes less attractive!

Anyway... just my 2 cents.

SEA

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:47 am

If you're going to go poco then why not wait for the new PCI card? It comes with the most plugins. All the Sony Oxford and 6000 range plugins sound great but they cost a lot of money and don't come with the card.

I have a classic and 2 elements. They don't work well with my mobo so choosing a compatible mobo is important. TC's support is abysmal - if they can't help you after one email they give up pretty quickly. Piss poor is the expression I'd use.

The firewire version has caused headaches for many people with syncing to host. I'd test one out (hire?) with your system before buying. Or buy on a return basis if it doesn't work.

I have a UAD-1 and it seems rock solid - no trouble at all so far. The plugins really sound good. If you want quality old skool bread and butter fx then it's the way to go. The Poco has a larger variety of plugins available - but nearly all the good ones cost extra. I use them both equally so I can't really pick a winner.

P.S. TC has better verbs but the UAD-1's plate is very good. The 6000 range for poco cost a lot extra.

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:20 am

Sea wrote: Checking out your tunes now
SEA

the tracks on my last album are not done with any UAD-1 plugs

wsaidah · Post by **wsaidah** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:03 am

Does anyone no how many Sony Oxford EQs you can get with TC's powercore Firewire

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:22 am

the demo uses 17% of one chip of the four on my old pci card - firewire gets one and a half times as much so the answer is lots

IMHO the plugs that ship with the powercore element are a lot better than the ones that ship with the basic ua

quality reverbs (2) and useable to great eq, compressors, channel strip, amp sim(actually this is pretty great) and even a synth

some native stuff is starting to get close - ie artsacoustic - but it aint there and even then the cost of all the individual plugs would be about the same as the poco

ps jrrshop - element and md3 (with forum discount) €850 - and of course the md3 is a limiter and a seperate multiband dynamics processor

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:41 am

munchkin wrote:If you're going to go poco then why not wait for the new PCI card?

I agree.The older PoCo stuff is locked at 48hz tops besides the FW PoCo still being problematic on a lot of systems(not all though.)

Sea · Post by **Sea** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:09 pm

munchkin wrote:If you're going to go poco then why not wait for the new PCI card?

Do you know when it's coming out?

SEA

TC Powercore with System 6000 vs. UAD-1