Arts Acoustic Reverb appreciation thread

[bduffy]

This is a Honeymoon:

[nick at artsacoustic]

oh yes ... i know this ... somehow ... from pictures ... far back in my mind ...

[bduffy]

Too busy making the worlds best native reverb?

Your hard work was worth it, that's for sure.

[nick at artsacoustic]

Too busy making the worlds best native reverb?

oha! thanks for the flowers

Your hard work was worth it, that's for sure.

well, let`s see ... i`m buying an island soon .
but back to topic:
what`s that honeymoon thing?
or does it simply mean that you will review our reverb here on kvr?

[mandolarian]

It means after the honeymoon phase and he still likes your verb day after day, then it's true love.
If not, then his comments will reverberate with angst, disappointment and despair. All his hopes, deconvolved.

[nick at artsacoustic]

ahh, i see.
that showes once more that english is not my native language .
but, yes, a review after the first impression, when got deeper in our reverb,
will probably lead to a more detailled, hopefully positive result then.
let`s see. i`m curious.

[ericj23]

i know this isn't the place for this - and i love the artsacoustic verb

but cinmeascore wrote "a real-time NO LATENCY (sorry Powercore or UAD-1, but I track everything "live and in person!") VST reverb plug-in"

you can track with no more latency than through your soundcard through a powercore - a little button prioritises the powercore so the plug in has no latency but cpu useage goes up - megaverb with no latency uses 30% of my cpu and the awe-inspiring vss3 uses 60% of my p4 - 2.8

sorry for thread jumping - but i hate seeing factual errors - probably soemthing to do with most of my family being teachers

[greendoor]

I just found and read the AAR manual last night (it installs in the C:\programs\artsacoustic folder - not your VST folder). It's a very good manual. Although AAR is easy enough to use without reading it, there are some interesting things that might take a while to find out. For example: the quality button converts the sample rate from 44.1 to 22 kHz. That means the upper frequency range gets dropped from about 22kHz to about 11kHZ - which frankly doesn't matter with most reverb tails! I was finding that sometimes I prefered the low quality sound - but this made sense when I realised that it was simply getting a little darker due to the 22kHz filter. I sometimes like a dark reverb, and i'm find that by using a lot of eq high rolloff, I can get excellent dark reverbs. I think half the reason the Princeton reverb sounds quite good is because they have forced it to be relatively dark, which covers up it's lumpy tail. I find I can dial up a smoother, darker reverb than the Princeton.

[greendoor]

i know this isn't the place for this - and i love the artsacoustic verb

but cinmeascore wrote "a real-time NO LATENCY (sorry Powercore or UAD-1, but I track everything "live and in person!") VST reverb plug-in"

you can track with no more latency than through your soundcard through a powercore - a little button prioritises the powercore so the plug in has no latency but cpu useage goes up - megaverb with no latency uses 30% of my cpu and the awe-inspiring vss3 uses 60% of my p4 - 2.8

sorry for thread jumping - but i hate seeing factual errors - probably soemthing to do with most of my family being teachers

"No more latency than through your soundcard" - so in other words, some latency.

[nick at artsacoustic]

well, he probably meant, that in reality a lot of users won`t use this option, as they`d have to freeze/bounce all the time. a lot of users are working entirely in their sequencer, arranging, synths, fx, mixing and mastering in one go, which is way more intuitive for most. so they cannot afford a waste of cpu cycles. that`s what more and more musicians/engineers go for. that`s why we made the ArtsAcoustic reverb for.
it`s hard to keep control over a mix if you allways have to freeze/unfreeze or bounce/unbounce all the time. especially with a reverb, which is mostly set up as a send fx. so, in fact, he might be wrong by saying so, but reality seems to proove different thinking more and more on this topic. allthough there are, of course, users that still work that way, and as long they are happy with the result, everything is fine.

[nick at artsacoustic]

i know this isn't the place for this - and i love the artsacoustic verb

but cinmeascore wrote "a real-time NO LATENCY (sorry Powercore or UAD-1, but I track everything "live and in person!") VST reverb plug-in"

you can track with no more latency than through your soundcard through a powercore - a little button prioritises the powercore so the plug in has no latency but cpu useage goes up - megaverb with no latency uses 30% of my cpu and the awe-inspiring vss3 uses 60% of my p4 - 2.8

sorry for thread jumping - but i hate seeing factual errors - probably soemthing to do with most of my family being teachers

"No more latency than through your soundcard" - so in other words, some latency.

oh yes, i forgot to mention this.
damn, greendoor, you`re fast .

[nick at artsacoustic]

by the way, latency, even if it`s just some msecs, is very nasty on percussive material, as it mostly produces some weird phase problems. with very short rooms the signal often lacks of impact immediately. so, say, not many users are having the possibility to go under 5 msecs latency, that would mean 10 msecs if the signal is sent over the pci bus. for the upper described situation this is very noticable IOO. you have to consider that the human ear defines the character and the room information of a signal within 40 msec. so the result often is an unwanted "obscure" signal, when dealing with latency.

[greendoor]

probably not a huge issue with a Wet reverb send. An extra 5ms predelay probably doesn't hurt. But as an insert effect you want to compensate for the latency. I'm not sure how PoCo handles that, but i'm pleased I don't have to worry about that!

[Cinemascore]

i know this isn't the place for this - and i love the artsacoustic verb

but cinmeascore wrote "a real-time NO LATENCY (sorry Powercore or UAD-1, but I track everything "live and in person!") VST reverb plug-in"

you can track with no more latency than through your soundcard through a powercore - a little button prioritises the powercore so the plug in has no latency but cpu useage goes up - megaverb with no latency uses 30% of my cpu and the awe-inspiring vss3 uses 60% of my p4 - 2.8

sorry for thread jumping - but i hate seeing factual errors - probably soemthing to do with most of my family being teachers

ericj23:

Thanks on that point, I stand corrected. I did forget that the Powercore has that "no latency" mode (or should I say "no more additional latency"). I myself almost went with Powercore for a long time, but didn't see the point of running the thing in the mode all the time (I run live MIDI and audio stream tracking almost all of the time - nearly no pre-recorded audio tracks) when I could possible run more native plug-ins. Thus, in my opinion, it defeats the purpose to me of having such a card for this kind of situation).

Oh, by the way, I run Pentium IV 2.8Ghz Northwoods (Shuttle Brand Mobo / Intel chipsets), similar to yours for speed and at a soundcard latency of 128 samples, using Steinberg V-Stack, I am running three (3) instances of AAR AND two (2) instances of Kontakt 1.5.3 fully loaded and “cranked” – all at that same 60% or so load.

[bobby yarrow]

what`s that honeymoon thing?
or does it simply mean that you will review our reverb here on kvr?

Here's a long explanation, with a few detours:

I'm always wary of comments by people who just bought the item a few days before; it's just our nature to try to justify the purchase, and often we're a lot more glowing the first few days than we would be a month later.

A 'honeymoon' is tradionally the month after a wedding, tho now it more often means the vacation the couple takes right after the wedding. It is, interestingly, a word of somewhat mysterious origin in English. My favorite speculation is that it's related to the honey wine drunk in Ireland (and elsewhere, generally called 'mead'); by tradition, the happy couple would be drunk on honey wine for the first month of the marriage, presumably to mitigate the shock of, well, 'married life' for the teenage girl. In English idiom, the idea of a honeymoon is connected to the idea that, after the honeymoon, the less happy reality sets in -- 'the honeymoon's over.' So, then, a 'honeymoon review' is one written during the blush of a new purchase. I don't mean to say that I expect my enthusiasm to wane, but only that anyone reading should have fair warning that I'm in the 'honeymoon' period.

Whew.

I'm really loving the AAR. No energy left after all that to say more, except I'll say that I'm remixing the record I've been finishing up to bring the AAR into almost every song. I'm dropping the natural convolution reverbs and my powercore reverbs on almost every track, and the improvement is worth the trouble.