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veseli koljac · Post by **veseli koljac** » Sat May 21, 2005 2:34 am

Midiworks wrote:I think its time to hear what its all about.

NI Combos US$199 VS Guitar Suite US$0 (plus a 50-75% CPU saving)

Let your ears decide.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/combs_music.htm

The first take is always the DRY recording !
Then followed by the amped version.

AcBox Combo VS GSuite
is comming a bit later.

midiworks,what are you talking about???
are you OK? or completely lost your mind???

_patch · Post by **_patch** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:25 am

veseli koljac wrote:midiworks,what are you talking about???
are you OK? or completely lost your mind???

...maybe he's a bit nervous

Each demo of a NI-Guitar-Combo has a 'inbuild' .mp3-player with .mp3-DemoLoops for listening while tweaking.

1) download a Guitar-Combo from NI website

2) after installing a Combo, choose your Soundcard/Audio-Interface and click on 'Demo Player'

3) choose a .mp3, click on it - .mp3-Loop is beginning to play

4) tweak the Combo and hear by yourself while tweaking the knobs

But: hearing .mp3's isn't all... you have to play and 'feel' the amps by playing them with your Guitar(s) to make your OWN decisions.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:17 am

In my opinion, Guitar Combo Plexi IS tougher and thicker sounding than Simulanalog. The former, as I already conceded, may not be able to get as high of a gain setting, but I hardly equate high gain with balls. While the Plexi is able to get the true clanging "kerrang" aggression from a crunch sound, Simulanalog's is always pretty mush-tastic. I DO like it, and will continue to use it, but at the end of the day I still think Plexi has it beat for crunch, note articulation, and responsiveness to playing dynamics.

Greg

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Sat May 21, 2005 9:50 am

I haven't downloaded the new NI sims yet,but from reading others opinions here I get the distinct impression that it's not much different than Guitar Rig itself quality-wise.I personally feel that this guitar sim technology isn't where it should be yet,especially using a computers chip as a DSP,but it's getting there.I'll wait till the next round or longer.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat May 21, 2005 9:56 am

It's certainly not an actual amp yet, if that's what you mean.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat May 21, 2005 10:14 am

In continuing the trial, I've given the AC30 a go. I quite like it, and I'll continue to consider purchasing it. There are certain tones that I can say for sure you simply will not get with the Rednef. That doesn't surprise me, as they're 2 different amps entirely, with the only thing in common being that they're both cleanish amps that can be driven as well.

Greg

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Tue May 24, 2005 8:49 am

Lawnmower Of The Damned wrote:It doesn't matter if it's hardware or software, it's the sound that matters.

Not just the sound... ease of use and all that is important too. I prefer to have everything in software - much more portable than my FlextoneII...

I'm still holding out for something like AmpFarmVST, AmplitubeII, GuitarRig2...

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:06 am

Is AmpFarm shoing signs of age, or is it still considered a good-sounding product? I know it's not (and will likely never be) available as VST, but I'm curious nonetheless.

Greg

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:12 pm

Lunch Money, if I'm not mistaken Amp Farm was basically the original Pod series in a plug-in, so yeah, I'd say the signs of aging have indeed appeared, but that there's probably still some usable tones in there. But, after having demo'd the Twang Amp in this collection, I'd say that is at least on par with the Fender amps in my Pod 2.0, but not quite as good as what's possible with Guitarport/Pod XT series. In fact I kind of dig the Twang, which is the only amp I'd tried out of this package. It's certainly light years beyond the Rednef from Guitar Suite, which sounds more like the hi-z input of my Grace Pre than my Fender Twin (or any other Fender amp I've ever played). The Twang works very well for clean to just slightly broken up sounds, but the distortion just sounds weak, even with the Screamer on, but for what it is, not bad, I just wish there were more mic options available there as a lot of that might just be the mic (condensor's on distorted fender amps can be extremely thin sounding if you've ever tried it in real life, though can't be beat for the cleans).

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:30 pm

I also tried the Combos. I am not impressed but they are not bad. The worst of them was IMO the Twang and the best was Plexi. The problem with the Twang was that both clean and clean-to-crunch sounds were not Fenderish at all. The slightly broken up sound was very ... how to say that ... artificial and that's the problem of many ampsims (Rednef included). On the contrary AC30 and Plexi had some character and I managed to produce some useful and convincing sounds.
I think I'll stick with JCM900 and Revolverb.

jeffn1 · Post by **jeffn1** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:41 pm

In Sonar, should I be able to use the JCM900 if I pick up the free version of the Spinaudio VST/DX adapter? (it does not work right with the Sonar adapter)

jeffn1

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:21 pm

zeoy wrote:I also tried the Combos. I am not impressed but they are not bad. The worst of them was IMO the Twang and the best was Plexi.

Interesting...my reaction was almost the exact opposite.

I really like the Vox emulation. IMO, the best by far. The Fender is pretty close (I've owned a Twin for ages) but the Plexi did not do it for me. Then again, I don't much like Marshalls for anything but a clean funky sound.

Horses for courses, I suppose.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:32 pm

cptgone wrote:
Lawnmower Of The Damned wrote:It doesn't matter if it's hardware or software, it's the sound that matters.
Not just the sound... ease of use and all that is important too. I prefer to have everything in software - much more portable than my FlextoneII...

I'm still holding out for something like AmpFarmVST, AmplitubeII, GuitarRig2...

Amplitube2 is due any day now.
Last I heard they are still standing behind the promised Spring 2005 release.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:48 pm

I just purchased an Epi sheraton yesterday (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!) and was going to give the demos another shot. I played them through my strat the other day and liked them, but felt that my J-station through my behringer compressor sounded better. I also noticed alot of hum with the single coils of my strat. Now that I got some humbuckers I will see if that still exists...

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Tue May 24, 2005 3:00 pm

MickGael wrote:
zeoy wrote:I also tried the Combos. I am not impressed but they are not bad. The worst of them was IMO the Twang and the best was Plexi.
Interesting...my reaction was almost the exact opposite.

I really like the Vox emulation. IMO, the best by far. The Fender is pretty close (I've owned a Twin for ages) but the Plexi did not do it for me. Then again, I don't much like Marshalls for anything but a clean funky sound.

Horses for courses, I suppose.

As you said "Horses for courses" and I think we agree about the Vox combo but most Fender amps are known for their cleans or crunchy sounds and these kind of sounds made by the Twang left me cold (I 've never owned a Twin but I am playing regularly with a Twin, a super reverb or a bassman in the studio- there's a Plexi also there)

NI Guitar Combos - I'm intrigued