KVR Audio

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:23 pm

Funkybot wrote:Here's a good reason to release filter only plugs: no having to deal with sending midi notes to a synth used as an effect to activate the filter. Also, smaller GUIs, easier more self explanitory ways to modulate the filter (and not an osc or envelope for insance), etc.

Sorry, but isn't a filter just even then interesting?
If it's tweakeble with MIDI too? How else do you retrigger the modulators then comfortable ?

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:24 pm

What about using filters on plugged in or microphoned instruments? That's a reason, no?

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:26 pm

JonnySun 2.0 wrote:Yeah, you made a filter poll and use the results for your own ?? ... Come on ...

Hi, Thats again such a "kick into my ass" !!!
(I know, sometimes I am a "mimosa".

)

I made it for everyone who was interested!
And what are actually the results, I used from that?

Do you actually think, that I have a machine, with which I can "convert" user opinions to VST plugins ???

Be careful. Dude!

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:29 pm

By the way, I have such "machine". My brain.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:31 pm

I think that one of the bigger draws for filter only plugs is that you can bounce to audio from a synth (say minimonsta, which admittedly has a great filter) to save CPU, then throw the filter plug on the bounced audio. Thus, you are not limited in your ability to modulate the sound, but have saved yourself the CPU from doing it through the filters on the synth itself.

Or even more, using filter plugs on synths that are already modulating the waveform....heavy filtering there, but can be used to great effect on pads and the like. But I suppose it may be very genre specific.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:35 pm

Furthermore, I am trying to determine what I need as far as filter plugs go right now.

I already have filterscape, and am eagerly awaiting Urs final version.

But, there is Camelspace which is amazing for its ease of use. And its gate. However, I can chaing together a gate, flanger, delay, reverb and probably get something similar. With a lot more work.

And Volcano. Haven't d/led the demo because I am afraid that I may like it too much. Don't think that I am too impressed by frantic at the moment.

JonnySun 2.0 · Post by **JonnySun 2.0** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:41 pm

Using external filters is only useful if this filter offers extraordinary quality. And that's the fact with volcano imho.

Playing in the same league i would mention microtonic. Self oscillating sounds very sweet, not really like the moog cascade, but much more better than the most native filters. (except the one in superwave vsti for example)

Have forget to add: "In my humble opinion".

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:44 pm

JonnySun 2.0 wrote:(except the one in superwave vsti for example)

That's just the standard SVFilter in Synthedit, by the way. (except they also use the standard ladder filter in the Performer).

For using filters, I guess it all depends on the way you make music. Most of my SIGHUP stuff is made of heavily affected streams of audio, even most synth sounds I record first and then work with as audio chunks. And everything is done in a modular host (Audiomulch or EnergyXT). So a filter plugin with a great sound and that offers a unique way of working (like the central graphic in Volcano) are always appreciated. For me, effects work best when you use them unexpectedly, or push them to extremes. And variations on features and layout will lead me to use each differently.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:49 pm

Hey Shamann, when are you gonna quit being stingy & let us see some of you SE work?

Ben [Camel Audio] · Post by **Ben [Camel Audio]** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:56 pm

But, there is Camelspace which is amazing for its ease of use. And its gate. However, I can chaing together a gate, flanger, delay, reverb and probably get something similar. With a lot more work.

You could get some of the way there by using a combination of different plugins. There are some things that are very cool, but that you wouldn't be able to do - for example, routing the step sequencer to filter cutoff, or to pan. I suppose you could do some of it with lots of automation, but it would be a pain. You've also got stuff like an enhancer, auto-panner, a range of really well crafted presets, LFOs, etc, etc. CamelSpace and CamelPhat are all about inspiring you, and working in a very intuitive, easy to use manner.

BTW. If you're looking for a filter you might also want to check out CamelPhat 3. Its got a bunch of different filter types (including unsual ones like comb filters, ring mod, etc). Its also got a nice band pass filter with resonance control over the HP and LP sections - so in effect you have three filters. Its also got an envelope follower. There's a bunch of other stuff in there too - I'm just pointing out the relevant bits to this discussion. Another thing to bare in mind is that you can pick up CamelSpace and CamelPhat 3 as a bundle for about the same price as one of these plugins (115 euro). More info from the links in my sig.

Thanks
Ben

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:59 pm

Thanks Ben, I am definitely looking at the whole CamelPhat3 bundle.....I tried the demo of both, and like what I hear.

And you are right, it is very painful to get even half of what CamelSpace can do by chaining other effects. I just seem to be buying a lot recently!!!! Who isn't with all the great stuff that is coming out. And yea, they are definitely inspiring.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:25 pm

jackle&hyde wrote:Oh my God!

"Frantic" = 129.95 Euro
"Volcano" = 139 Dollar

It's really time to release my

"Vampire" Dual Stereo multi filter = 0 Euro !!!

Vampire FX

Whoo! You let me know the second that's available! Sweet!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:32 pm

I love using filters on sounds from my workstation or samples. At the moment I'm mostly using Interpole which is a really cool Creamware filter that uses the same accurate Moog filter model they used in Minimax (2 of them in fact) - it sends chills down my spine when I sweep the cutoff and resonance around and the filter self oscillates and sounds so lovely and warm - it's like an instrument in it's own right. I've not really heard a standalone VST filter that sounds as good up till now (not even stuff like Nitro) but I'd like to check out the 2 newbies as I liked the filters in Fabfilter and Antii's work.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:53 pm

HI

I am quite dissapointed at the latest bunch of filters to hit the market - I don't feel they offer anything particularly new on the Antares or Ohm filters - which have been around a while .... just goes to show you can't beat 'Vintage' software for that retro sound!

Flipper.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed May 25, 2005 8:28 pm

Sickle666 wrote:Hey Shamann, when are you gonna quit being stingy & let us see some of you SE work?

Hmm, tough call. I had planned to release stuff in the wayback, but decided not to when everyone and their idiot brother started chomping at the commercial bit.

I'd rather devote my limited time to music instead. Never really wanted to be considered "a developer", and have zero interest in the inevitable "d00d can you add an extra LFO" emails. That and I've been on Win98 all these years, so SE plugins split into two files. More fodder for bitching. Maybe I'll quietly release some of it once I get WinXP (which should be Thursday-ish). I have a useful 16-step filter made with the SVFilter, and a cool phase distortion effect (based on the write-up on the one in Logic).

Cheers,
Steve

What is the draw of filter-only plugs ?