Why do people feel the need to write standard music?

[Glassback]

So.
Be original, but not too original.
Be different, but not too different.
Be the same as everybody else, but not too much the same.

Is that about right?
So, erm, who rocks YOUR boat musically?
They must be very talented musicians indeed.

[griels]

Why do people feel the need to keep rehashing the same thread topics?

[topaz]

ok I will retype


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Don't people understand that to write outstanding music you need to do something different? Push the boundaries? Surprise people??

can we hear something different and pushing the boundries ?

or are you just saying other people need to and you cant ?

sorry i must have been sleep-typing again, when did i say i made original never been done before music?

[nibbzious]

I don't think it's fair to judge others that create what you call "standard" music. What if they are quite content with that form of music? What if they are completely happy that they make the same music as everyone else? Is that wrong? What if they are just plain talentless but they still love music, and try as they might, they can't do anything different because they don't know how. Does that make them an inferior? Some people are driven to sound different. Some are not. Some try to be different. Some have outside influences that makes their music different. Some people live and make the same genre of music with no care for anything else and only know that music. I dunno.

If everyone sounded different, different would no longer be different. No one could stand out because nothing would be the same. But then that would become the standard and to be different you would have to sound like everyone else and then you would ... Whoa, this shit is deep. I've got to sit down.

[clueless]

Nihil Sub Sole Novum

[clueless]

Whoa, this shit is deep. I've got to sit down.

I'd stand up if I were you

[Churchy]

So.
Be original, but not too original.
Be different, but not too different.
Be the same as everybody else, but not too much the same.

not *too* original? not *too* different? ??

if you're going to make up things i'm not going to play anymore

Is that about right?
So, erm, who rocks YOUR boat musically?
They must be very talented musicians indeed.

what - now you're implying that i have unreasonable standards or something. ALL I WANT IS A LITTLE ORIGINALITY PLEASE! and so many of you get all wound up and begin overexaggerating and stuff.

bah!

[Armadillo]

Glassback, Topaz, nibbzious and probably a few more. Why do you take Churchy's argument so personal?

It's not like he said everyone at KVR make the same standard music. For all I know he could be a music journalist who's tired of the Britneys, Robbie Williamses and Oasyses of this world. Or the equivilant names in Dance music, let's say DJ Sammy, Ian Van Dahl etc.

He does not need to make groundbreaking music himself to bring up a point. That's like me complaining about the filters on a NI synth. What.....do I need to be able to make better filters myself for that reason?

[Churchy]

I don't think it's fair to judge others that create what you call "standard" music. What if they are quite content with that form of music? What if they are completely happy that they make the same music as everyone else? Is that wrong? What if they are just plain talentless but they still love music, and try as BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

yes, that's too deep. i didn't mean to get you to start questioning the universe or anything

[Wopelka]

Nihil Sub Sole Novum

you bet! and i'd say even more:

Vanitas Vanitatum Et Omnia Vanitas

[haydxn]

Glassback, Topaz, nibbzious and probably a few more. Why do you take Churchy's argument so personal?

It's not like he said everyone at KVR make the same standard music. For all I know he could be a music journalist who's tired of the Britneys, Robbie Williamses and Oasyses of this world. Or the equivilant names in Dance music, let's say DJ Sammy, Ian Van Dahl etc.

He does not need to make groundbreaking music himself to bring up a point. That's like me complaining about the filters on a NI synth. What.....do I need to be able to make better filters myself for that reason?

i'm with you on your arguments up to a point...
you can't bring on things like filter design to back up that argument! churchy does indeed make music, so if he's making a complaint about all the music makers not being original enough, it's entirely fair to ask what he's doing to remedy the situation. you can't expect everyone else to be more original if you're not making the effort yourself.

well, you can of course..

personally i think the whole thread started out a bit too passionately anyway! there are plenty of original artists around, and there will ALWAYS be people making stuff that 'sounds the same'.. always. people have to learn somewhere, base their ideas on something.. not everyone is inspired and creative and keen to tread new tracks. what you need to do is not get 'driven crazy' by it, and listen to things that appeal to you.

noone has heard all the music. seek out things that ARE different - it's all there.

[SeanyK]

Whilst I see your point Churchy, everything these days usually has *hints* of other songs, we all learn from music we like, I learn from listening to 80's music like Pet Shop Boys, Bronski Beat, Erasure etc, then comparing it to the dance music I like now, and when im writing, sure sometimes ill hear something in my own tracks and think "ah, that sounds a little bit like..." But its not a problem as long as your not blatantly ripping tracks off.

You can always learn by taking ideas from your favourite parts of the songs you like and building new ideas around them, without 'remixing' or 'covering' the track, or, in otherwords, not ripping it off! LOL.

You can be original, take Benny Benassi for example, he wrote that song 'Satisfaction' and it was quite unique, with all its wishy washy sounds, but now there are 100 clones of that type of music, and in all fairness, each has added something different to the style.

And just to echo what others have said, some people really are content to just sit back and write a song that isnt really too unique compared to others.

[clueless]

Nihil Sub Sole Novum

you bet! and i'd say even more:

Vanitas Vanitatum Et Omnia Vanitas

plus ça change...ne c'est pas?

[waveriderarts]

The thing is, these new guy's are being hailed as genius' too cos of their ability emulate the top artist's!

You are right, some people doing trance for exemple are just imitating the staples of the genre BUT they get praised because they sound like the big boys.

Valid for any genre like rock or metal!

In the 70's the kids who copied led Zep solos where the best in the view of onlookers, but it was the Punks who changed the world. And imagine coming from a rock background, looking at a punk who can't play a solo, versus the long haired would-be rockstar who could play a Zeppelin solo note-for-note.. most people who have said the second one was better -it takes a visionary to see the potential in something original. 99% of people prefer something they know already and can relate to.

So at some level you get more appreciation when skillfullly copying stuff than inventing. I know the REAL GAME lies in originality, but if you never get in a genre and stay out of everything you will be alone in you camp for a long long while....

[Kraku]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I hope no-one said this before me:

Lot's of people are doing same kind of music, but even worse thing than that is the fact, that people have written love songs for the last three thousand years! That sucks! If the message hasn't gone through by now, it never will!

(stop writing love songs!)