Hi all,
I can't seem to find any china cymbals with ST2L package? Do they exist?
Another thing is when usng drums kits with a mix, the cymbals seem to be out of balance(panning)? does not matter if I manipulate the velocity of individual cymbals.
It seems they are too panned... I hate totally wide spread drums. I could use a trim plug (in host) to lose the spread. or do I need to mess more with the preset FX?
Oh another thing, where is the body of the toms? None that I can find? Maybe more tweeking to be had?
Getting used to ST in general , and need some help in the above areas. can anyone help?
T
ST2L drums
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
I don't think there are any china cymbals.tonio wrote:Hi all,
I can't seem to find any china cymbals with ST2L package? Do they exist?
A really easy way to reduce the stereo spread is to use the "LOFI" effect. Make sure you set the bandwidth to maximum and lofi to minimum, and then adjust the stereo control to taste.tonio wrote:Another thing is when usng drums kits with a mix, the cymbals seem to be out of balance(panning)? does not matter if I manipulate the velocity of individual cymbals.
It seems they are too panned... I hate totally wide spread drums. I could use a trim plug (in host) to lose the spread. or do I need to mess more with the preset FX?
What kind of body are you looking for in toms? You add some thickness by using some compression (the compressor in the EQ/Comp is good for drums). You can add some low end simply by adjusting the EQ. Once you find a sound you like, you can easily save it back as a child preset so that you can recall the kit later with all your settings.tonio wrote:Oh another thing, where is the body of the toms? None that I can find? Maybe more tweeking to be had?
Hope that helps.
Forever,
Kim.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 72 posts since 30 Mar, 2005 from San Diego
Thanks for the confirmation KIm!! anyone know if the expansion packs , or SR stuff has the china's?
GUess I'll need to play with the FX some more. I tend to use 3rd party or host plugs-as a habit I guess, due to knowing how to get the sound I want. As far as toms go, they all seem to posses more attack then the body or tone of a tom. In some cases ithats a good thing. Using eq can help, but it would nessecitate seperating the toms, snare kick, cymbals etc. If you know what I mean. I normally seperate the kick, snare to its own track, then the cymbals and toms. But I am finding with St boosting the eq for toms (@ 400-800hz) makes the cymbals rather overwhelming. Guess I'll try seperating them, or try the FX more.
Thanks to the tips!!
T
GUess I'll need to play with the FX some more. I tend to use 3rd party or host plugs-as a habit I guess, due to knowing how to get the sound I want. As far as toms go, they all seem to posses more attack then the body or tone of a tom. In some cases ithats a good thing. Using eq can help, but it would nessecitate seperating the toms, snare kick, cymbals etc. If you know what I mean. I normally seperate the kick, snare to its own track, then the cymbals and toms. But I am finding with St boosting the eq for toms (@ 400-800hz) makes the cymbals rather overwhelming. Guess I'll try seperating them, or try the FX more.
Thanks to the tips!!
T
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
If you want to get surgical with your drums (ie, separating them and processing each element separately), then you really owe it to yourself to check out Sonik Capsule: Studio Drums. It's a multi-format library that expands to over a gigabyte of drumkits for SampleTank2. What's really cool is that there's an option to generate separated drumkit element instruments for ST2. If you do that, then you will have individual ST2 instruments for kicks, snares, hats, toms, and cymbals. There are a few benefits to this:
1) You can mix and match different kits. Got a cool kit but want to try out some different snares? No problem. Want to combine hats and cymbals from one kit with the toms and kick from another? Easy. Having the separated kit elements available as ST2 instruments means it's really quick as easy to try out different combinations.
2) You can apply different effects in ST2 to each individual kit element. For example, by having the toms on a separate ST2 part, you can apply eq and compression to beef them up without affecting the sound of rest of the kit. Likewise, you can compress the kick and snare separately without affecting the decay of the cymbals. The possibilities really open up.
3) You can route the separated kit elements to their own output channels. That means you can process and bus the individual kit elements in your host's mixer in the same way as you would do for a recorded drumkit performance. Apply your favourite eq, compression, and reverb plugins on separated kit elements. Again, the possibilities really open up.
The Drums Capsule is designed for this kind of advanced drum mixing, so all the kits have a very natural sound, without any extra processing "printed" into the samples. It's like "Here's the kit as the microphones captured it. Now YOU mix it!"
Forever,
Kim.
1) You can mix and match different kits. Got a cool kit but want to try out some different snares? No problem. Want to combine hats and cymbals from one kit with the toms and kick from another? Easy. Having the separated kit elements available as ST2 instruments means it's really quick as easy to try out different combinations.
2) You can apply different effects in ST2 to each individual kit element. For example, by having the toms on a separate ST2 part, you can apply eq and compression to beef them up without affecting the sound of rest of the kit. Likewise, you can compress the kick and snare separately without affecting the decay of the cymbals. The possibilities really open up.
3) You can route the separated kit elements to their own output channels. That means you can process and bus the individual kit elements in your host's mixer in the same way as you would do for a recorded drumkit performance. Apply your favourite eq, compression, and reverb plugins on separated kit elements. Again, the possibilities really open up.
The Drums Capsule is designed for this kind of advanced drum mixing, so all the kits have a very natural sound, without any extra processing "printed" into the samples. It's like "Here's the kit as the microphones captured it. Now YOU mix it!"
Forever,
Kim.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 72 posts since 30 Mar, 2005 from San Diego
That sounds like a plan Kim. You should get some points from SR 
Actually I did get ST2 with a preconcieved notion to get Studio Drums. I did need a all-rounder with the ST library, since I was getting tired of my lonley Korg N1R module. Iam not totally happy YET with ST , but I do need to experiment a little more to pass that judgment. Though it is my 1st softy, it does give me the bread n butter I was looking for.
Cheers!!
T
Actually I did get ST2 with a preconcieved notion to get Studio Drums. I did need a all-rounder with the ST library, since I was getting tired of my lonley Korg N1R module. Iam not totally happy YET with ST , but I do need to experiment a little more to pass that judgment. Though it is my 1st softy, it does give me the bread n butter I was looking for.
Cheers!!
T