Perhaps I am not using it right, but I'm a bit disappointed with this software. I tried loading up a 7 second sample of what I thought was a relatively simple pad sound. After about 30 seconds of processing, the AutoSearch came up with an absolutely inane loop point that sounded terrible. I was able to find a better point myself in only a couple seconds.
Am I not using this tool properly? Is there a certain type of sound I'm supposed to be using it with?
Zero-X Seamless Looper..
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- KVRAF
- 4707 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
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- KVRian
- 1258 posts since 25 Nov, 2003 from London
I think it's meant to find loop points in melodic / percussion loops not stuff like pads.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4707 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
A pad is melodic, is it not?
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- KVRian
- 581 posts since 27 Mar, 2002 from Sweden
Theres a forum at the beatcreator site. Ask there and the developer will surely get back to you.
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 21 Aug, 2004
Hmm...did you record a full cycle of the sound sometimes it can take long, maybe its to complex to loop propperly...did you try crossfading?
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Thats the bottom line with looping - more often than not - you have to find the loops yourself - but the auto function (if you mess with the knobs dont just leave it set to default) should give you a quick head start - its not the best app for doing looping by sight though.zircon wrote: I was able to find a better point myself in only a couple seconds.
The tuning is not cool in this app either, thats a fact
I think the best software from zero-X is the beat slice stuff, this is where they really shine and stand out.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRian
- 995 posts since 4 Mar, 2004
Did you use the "slicemode" function to events/or 4/8/16/ etc.(change the settings for amount of slices) ?
Although don't qoute me on that as I'm a beatcreator user, so a little different.
IMO zero-x have the best slicing algo there is,
Although don't qoute me on that as I'm a beatcreator user, so a little different.
IMO zero-x have the best slicing algo there is,
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Hi! Whoomph, this is looping not slicing - slicing in beat creator is spot on.Whoomph wrote:Did you use the "slicemode" function to events/or 4/8/16/ etc.(change the settings for amount of slices) ?
Although don't qoute me on that as I'm a beatcreator user, so a little different.
IMO zero-x have the best slicing algo there is,
Looping in seamless looper is a differnt matter and needs tweaking to get anything worthwhile out of it, as I say great for getting a head start in a batch - finds loops very fast normally and need a little tweak to get just right (how much of a tweak depends on how you first set it up and the content you scan for the loop)
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRian
- 995 posts since 4 Mar, 2004
Thank's for the info spe3d,:) I must try seemless looper again, it's(obviously 
) a long time since I have.
I'm a big Beatcreator fan and have been for a while (also obvious)
Sorry for the un-educated guess Zircon
hope you find a solution to you're problem.
) a long time since I have.I'm a big Beatcreator fan and have been for a while (also obvious
)Sorry for the un-educated guess Zircon
hope you find a solution to you're problem.
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- KVRian
- 1469 posts since 18 Sep, 2004 from Suffolk, UK
I've been using Seamless Looper for some while now and apart from a rare occasion or two, it finds perfect loops every time. I've created pads, basses, leads and all other sorts of sounds using it with no problem at all. At worst, I sometimes have to tweak a loop point or use a touch of crossfade in my S6000 to clean things up, but other than that I can't sing it's praises highly enough.
Are you using the latest full version or a demo ?
As Mikael said, the forum is a good place to ask. Peter (the developer) is always quick to reply.
Stick with it though, it's a great bit of software and at about a tenth the price of the MAC only "Infinity" by Antares.
If you like, post a link to the sound you are trying to loop and I'll run it through my set up to see if it's the sound or the software not coping.
Are you using the latest full version or a demo ?
As Mikael said, the forum is a good place to ask. Peter (the developer) is always quick to reply.
Stick with it though, it's a great bit of software and at about a tenth the price of the MAC only "Infinity" by Antares.
If you like, post a link to the sound you are trying to loop and I'll run it through my set up to see if it's the sound or the software not coping.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4707 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
I am using the latest full version. Also..
"Hmm...did you record a full cycle of the sound sometimes it can take long, maybe its to complex to loop propperly...did you try crossfading?"
I have no idea how to detect the full cycle of a synthesized sound when the sound is deep, rich, and complex. I just record about 7 seconds worth. As for crossfading, I don't know how to do that in seamless looper, but if it doesn't do that for you, what's the point? You might as well do the whole thing yourself.
I'm not even getting ballpark loop points. The *actual* ideal loop point was completely different than what Seamless Looper suggested.
I haven't touched any settings yet. What should I start doing to get a more accurate loop suggestion?
"Hmm...did you record a full cycle of the sound sometimes it can take long, maybe its to complex to loop propperly...did you try crossfading?"
I have no idea how to detect the full cycle of a synthesized sound when the sound is deep, rich, and complex. I just record about 7 seconds worth. As for crossfading, I don't know how to do that in seamless looper, but if it doesn't do that for you, what's the point? You might as well do the whole thing yourself.
I'm not even getting ballpark loop points. The *actual* ideal loop point was completely different than what Seamless Looper suggested.
I haven't touched any settings yet. What should I start doing to get a more accurate loop suggestion?
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- KVRian
- 1469 posts since 18 Sep, 2004 from Suffolk, UK
Seamless Looper does do crossfading. You should be getting multiple loop points, with the optimum being automatically set.zircon wrote:I am using the latest full version. Also..
"Hmm...did you record a full cycle of the sound sometimes it can take long, maybe its to complex to loop propperly...did you try crossfading?"
I have no idea how to detect the full cycle of a synthesized sound when the sound is deep, rich, and complex. I just record about 7 seconds worth. As for crossfading, I don't know how to do that in seamless looper, but if it doesn't do that for you, what's the point? You might as well do the whole thing yourself.
I'm not even getting ballpark loop points. The *actual* ideal loop point was completely different than what Seamless Looper suggested.
I haven't touched any settings yet. What should I start doing to get a more accurate loop suggestion?
With all due respect, I think you're not using it properly, although it's difficult to say without seeing what you're experiencing. Is there any chance you can post/email the sample you are trying to loop so I can have a look ?
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Proper Loop points you say....
1 - Ears
2 - Patience
3 - A little of your preferred Medication to ease the Pain.
Paul
1 - Ears
2 - Patience
3 - A little of your preferred Medication to ease the Pain.
Paul
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- KVRist
- 458 posts since 30 Jun, 2003 from cinci, oh
I was disappointed with seamless looper. It certainly does not live up to its namesake.
And I am sure it can find decent loop points in "easy" samples -- it's the difficult material, the stuff you actually need help with, that the utility fails.
However, here is a tip -- if you make a copy of the problem child, and low pass filter the heck out of it (must use an acausal filter; ie, one that does not introduce phase shift !!!), you can often spot a loop pattern by visual inspection. Simply jot down the start / end sample points of the observed pattern and apply them on the original unfiltered material. No looping utility needed.
You may be able to use audacity to do the filtering. I think it has acausal lowpass filtering options; trivial to implement in off-line apps.
And I am sure it can find decent loop points in "easy" samples -- it's the difficult material, the stuff you actually need help with, that the utility fails.
However, here is a tip -- if you make a copy of the problem child, and low pass filter the heck out of it (must use an acausal filter; ie, one that does not introduce phase shift !!!), you can often spot a loop pattern by visual inspection. Simply jot down the start / end sample points of the observed pattern and apply them on the original unfiltered material. No looping utility needed.
You may be able to use audacity to do the filtering. I think it has acausal lowpass filtering options; trivial to implement in off-line apps.
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- KVRian
- 1469 posts since 18 Sep, 2004 from Suffolk, UK
I must be the lucky one then !
I have used SL extensively on all sorts of samples, both complex and simple and can't find fault with it. The end results of a lot of them were submitted to Hollow Sun, and Steve posted them straight away, and Steve has high standards ! true, it's no Infinity, but Infinity is a) MAC only & b) ten times the price !
I have used SL extensively on all sorts of samples, both complex and simple and can't find fault with it. The end results of a lot of them were submitted to Hollow Sun, and Steve posted them straight away, and Steve has high standards ! true, it's no Infinity, but Infinity is a) MAC only & b) ten times the price !
Which namesake is that ?pummel wrote:It certainly does not live up to its namesake