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Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:42 pm

What is the best audio editing software?
I'm looking for a professional software, not something like audacity.

I've heard that soundforge is probably the best program to get.

BUT, I'm getting cubase SX3 so do you think wavelab would be more useful to me? I'm assuming wavelab would work better with cubase than soundforge... ?

And then you have Adobe Audition and the others that seem pretty good...

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:49 pm

Most are pretty capable these days. It would all depend on your needs and the way you work.

They all have downloadable demos don't they? Have you tried any?

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:49 pm

Adobe Audition rules.

It is the most intuitive waveform editor (for me) out there.

I have never liked Soundforge half as much. I haven't tried it since Sony bought it, and everything that I have heard about that is pretty negative.

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:49 pm

Audacity is superb for what it is.... open source. Don't get me wrong, I love it and use it regularly, but it's no Audition/SoundForge/Wavelab.

I have used the afore mentioned big boys and I currently favour Audition. Great features, layout and intuitive GUI. There is little, if any, benefit from using Wavelab if you have Cubase.

My personal preference at this time is Audition

fjell_strom · Post by **fjell_strom** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:54 pm

Well, Adam, I certainly respect anyone on the quest to acquire audio editing/production software, but BEST there just ain't. I am no Jedi Master of said software either, but anyone who is will tell you perhaps two things: The right program will always depend upon your needs, and these vary from person to person (we don't yet know yours), and then also that some of it always comes down to taste and feel and, from what I've seen in the Host Wars Forums (not unlike the clone wars) in the end, people sometimes use what they use just because they like it, not because they can prove it has superior powers to another prog.

Anyhow, if you list your specific needs, perhaps someone knowledgable can guide you to what they think would be a suitable host. What is your equipment, what sort of music do you want to produce, and what exactly are you going to record (people, instruments, the sounds of lightsabers...etc. You catch my drift)?

Take care,
Dustin

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:55 pm

P.S. Me and Herodotus both saying Audition's GUI is intuitive wasn't planned.... It really must be that good

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:59 pm

Lovesign wrote:P.S. Me and Herodotus both saying Audition's GUI is intuitive wasn't planned.... It really must be that good

It is. (I wish there was a "I solemnly swear" emoticon).

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:00 pm

adobe audition

(but as mentioned ... YMMV)

slainte

rob

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:30 pm

While Audition is very powerful, my intuition found its new Adobed skin less than intuitive. It seems most people have a way better visual-clutter filter than me. CoolEdit was easier IMHO, but still not intuitive. But neither is Sound Forge or Wavelab. Or Sadie.

Any of these programs are powerful and at times a necessary evil, but to me, have the ergonomic appeal of a chainsaw made in Redmond from rusty toolbars.

csl · Post by **csl** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:43 pm

Wavelab=best for making CDs thanks to its excellent montage, mastering
Audition=ace filters, convolution, comprehensive timestretch
Sound Forge=easiest, fast - good for editing samples, great chainer with VST envelope support

IMO

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:11 pm

csl wrote:Wavelab=best for making CDs thanks to its excellent montage, mastering
Audition=ace filters, convolution, comprehensive timestretch
Sound Forge=easiest, fast - good for editing samples, great chainer with VST envelope support

IMO

Definitely agree, however- with the version 8 of SF, they've thrown in CD architect which finally puts SF on nearly equal footing with WL in the CD dept AND SF is now (about flippin time!) vst compatible!
Wavelab has had the "montage" ability since v3 and that is still something that SF cannot do...Sony may feel that providing that facility might be wandering into "Vegas" territory. They still want the true believers to have some incentive to purchase that one too

I can speak to audacity's ability, but I'm glad it's out there. Smaller developers are part of what keeps the big guy's feet to the fires

Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:37 pm

thanks for all your help!

I make dance/electronic music

Here's my equipment:
FLstudio 5
Cubase SX3 (will own soon)
Native Instruments Komplete2
East West instruments/samples
and other random VSTs and sound samples

This is what I will be using the audio editing for:

1. People give me their sound files to remix and sometimes I need to touch them up. For example, this rock band gave me their dry vocals and you can hear the rest of the band instruments in the background as he sings and I want to get rid of that.
I need a audio editor that can really make the samples that poeple give me sound good within the remix that I make. And something easy to chop up

2. Also, I want to edit my own sound samples that I have so that I can tweek and use them in my sequencer. I want to make them do different "tricks." Maybe even upload a whole song I'm working on and edit it a little although that's probably not necessary with the sequencers I have.

3. I will be recording my own dj mixes with the audio editor and it would be nice if it had "cue points" where I can automatically turn a long wav file into seperate tracks without having to export each section where I want the new track to be.

4. And I may use it for mastering, but then I'll have to invest in getting my room tuned...

I won't be doing much recording besides the dj mixes although I will record glitches I get from my sequencer back into my computer and edit those recorded sounds with the audio editor

Do any of those programs burn CDs/DVDs as well?

Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:44 pm

what is "montage?"

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:05 am

Adambomb337 wrote:what is "montage?"

Hi Adambomb337- I'll let this WL 4 article tell you. they can 'splain it better than me! (it's sort of pseudo multi-tracking; some but not all of the flexibility of multi-track DAW):
http://remixmag.com/mag/remix_steinberg_wavelab/

AUDIO MONTAGE

Perhaps the most powerful feature in Wavelab is the Audio Montage, a multitrack playback facility that enables you to quickly create complex collages of audio files and output the results to a variety of formats including mixed WAV and CD audio (see Fig. 4). Audio Montages can contain an unlimited number of tracks, and each track can contain an unlimited number of clips that reference audio files on the hard drive. It's a snap to perform automation features such as pans and volume fades on clips. It is a completely nondestructive process that leaves the source material untouched.

Clips can be crossfaded easily by dragging them on top of each other, and fade curves can be edited by creating new nodes and manually shaping the fade or by using one of the seven envelope curves. If you create a curve that you really like, you can store it to a preset and recall it anywhere in the Montage. And if you really like it, store it as your default curve, replacing the standard linear fade.

Each clip in the Montage can be independently processed by as many as 10 VST effects plug-ins. Individual knob movements within the plug-ins cannot be automated, but it is possible to achieve a rudimentary sort of automation by patching the effects-send level to an envelope curve. It isn't the most flexible system in the world, but it's certainly a useful feature when you don't want to sit with your finger on the Bypass button.

Individuals who are compiling serious audio CDs that require crossfades or segues between tracks will likely spend the bulk of their time in the Audio Montage environment. CD track markers can be positioned anywhere by simply right-clicking on the time ruler and selecting the appropriate marker; creating cool things such as hidden tracks is simple. It is also easy to make CDs that won't play back on home players, but don't worry — Wavelab checks your work before you burn to ensure that your CD is Red Book — compatible. So go ahead and experiment!

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drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:29 am

There is little, if any, benefit from using Wavelab if you have Cubase.

that would not be the case if you wanted to burn DVD-audio

There is little, if any, benefit from using Wavelab if you have Cubase.

Well maybe the same can be said of Adobe Audition, now how about Adobe Abducting A wet/dry envelope for the bus effects, then it would be really interesting for mastering,

, does any other software have this.

Best Audio Editing software?