KVR Audio

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:41 am

hmm, this shift-leftarrow thingie seems to work, and it's even assignable! =) .. kewl, thanks a million =)

but that was still just a little drop in the sea, although a very essential one ..

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:08 pm

Step entry is funny, because SoundScape had it perfect in 1985. For example you could set a default initial note value like 16th note. Then the longer you held the note it would grow by that value. So a 16th would become an 8th then a 1/4 then a 1/2. You could set the speed that the change occured. And you could use alt key for dotted and ctrl key for triplet etc.... It had about 400 million other MIDI features that have been dropped by the supposedly major "MIDI enabled" sequencers that exist now.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:11 pm

By the way, anyone remember Dr. T utilities?

waveriderarts · Post by **waveriderarts** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:04 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Step entry is funny, because SoundScape had it perfect in 1985.

Oh God!

someone else remember that soft!!!!!

..yes midi software is kind of weak if you compare to those days..... so many midi functions back then... and really well implemented....

remember bars n pipes?

.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:25 pm

I started sequencing on the Mac with MidiMac Sequencer 1.0, which ultimately became Opcode Studiovision. A lot of the early sequencers didn't have the now-standard piano roll for note editing. Your options were generally real-time recording, or step-entry, one note at a time. I really cannot fathom why anyone would want to go back to such primitive methods.

xander · Post by **xander** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:43 pm

Notator on an Atari 1040ST -- now those were the days... sigh..

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:53 am

what is piano roll vs. step entry/recording? i mostly used (still use) studio vision and you enter notes or chords form the midi key board, note lengths were selected with number keys from the qwerty, space was rest at selected, and backspace was uhh, back one selected note (erasing that event)-how is the "piano roll different, and don't the popular sequencers allow you to change key commands (like motu and i think logic)? not familiar with the pc world yet...

rg

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:23 pm

deastman wrote:I started sequencing on the Mac with MidiMac Sequencer 1.0, which ultimately became Opcode Studiovision. A lot of the early sequencers didn't have the now-standard piano roll for note editing. Your options were generally real-time recording, or step-entry, one note at a time. I really cannot fathom why anyone would want to go back to such primitive methods.

no, i have never used trackers or step entry. i wish i could though, because i love typing. why the f**k should i use the mouse to enter notes one by one, click by click, when instead i can type 10finger/blind? writing text with a mouse would be complete bullshit, and when used to typing fast, for many, drawing notes with your mouse is just as stupid...

hehe. i am so one-sided in this post.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:26 pm

fabi the underachiever wrote:
deastman wrote:I started sequencing on the Mac with MidiMac Sequencer 1.0, which ultimately became Opcode Studiovision. A lot of the early sequencers didn't have the now-standard piano roll for note editing. Your options were generally real-time recording, or step-entry, one note at a time. I really cannot fathom why anyone would want to go back to such primitive methods.
no, i have never used trackers or step entry. i wish i could though, because i love typing. why the f**k should i use the mouse to enter notes one by one, click by click, when instead i can type 10finger/blind? writing text with a mouse would be complete bullshit, and when used to typing fast, for many, drawing notes with your mouse is just as stupid...

hehe. i am so one-sided in this post. :lol:

fabi, well, you're right. ;)

deastman, isn't the pianoroll actually a much more primitive way of entering notes than about anything else?(at least in the sense that it's in many ways quite the same thing as a notator)

and, actually, I've got nothing against the pianoroll itself, but I'm just saying that it's complete bullshit that it's designed to be edited via mouse (which here is imho an substitute for a pen; much more primitive), when it would be so much easyer to edit it via playing. and not in realtime, but just the way text is written. after all, the mouse is quite a clumsy thing.

just like fabi said, how would you like to be FORCED to write all your text with a mouse? or how would you like if you had to write text in realtime?

imho this analogy works. some of you may not agree.

wouldn't it be marvellous if, for instance cubases' pianoroll was optimized to be edited via keyboard and not via mouse?

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:33 pm

waveriderarts wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:Step entry is funny, because SoundScape had it perfect in 1985.
Oh God! :-o someone else remember that soft!!!!!

..yes midi software is kind of weak if you compare to those days..... so many midi functions back then... and really well implemented....

remember bars n pipes? :wink:

.

oh yeah, amiga rocks ,) .. actually, i used octamed as my main sequencer until 2002 or something like that ... (i have hardware ... ;))

heh, and after i had made (and recorded) the tracks or loops with octamed, guess what i used to mix them?-D .. the new linux version of soundtracker. the software i begun with in the early nineties w/ my beloved amy 500 =)

OMFG! - step input/recording - rant warning!