I hate this host because...

[hello1234]

Doesn't write my music for me.

Well duh........that is the worst drawback.......

Mine does........can't you tell I'm a superstar.........

[advaya]

Sonar?Cubase's Sonar...

Please, no host "naming"........it takes the fun out of it!

OOOOPSS!!!

My bad... I guess I oughta read the entire thread before I start posting! Ghaaaa... thousand apologies...

[dougsyo]

Hate is too strong a word for it but I have had problems in a couple of hosts:

Host A: Was overpriced, insisted on using a dongle, and was over-complex and bloated, all within an interface that is frankly uninspiring (to me). Also it had poor developer support for customers.

Host B: Has bugs/issues affecting MIDI sequencing, Rewire, Rendering, various VSTs, several others, and has slow development (which is important when it comes to fixing bugs, especially). It has a user base that are continuously rude to each other, and even to "newbies" when they ask questions

Gee, I wonder which two those are............

I know, I know! Pick me! Pick me!

I never experienced Host A, because of price, reputation, and dongle.

I have used Host B quite a bit in the past. The biggest annoyance about it - other than the attitude that seems to go with it - is that it doesn't create ACID wav's correctly. Some products that follow the ACID spec are finding parts missing from Host B's output.

I've had Host C and Host B about the same amount of time (a freebie version of Host B was included on the CD for Host C). As I've moved somewhat away from loop-based work and more to traditional structure, I've been using Host C more and Host B less. Host C also has musical score support.

Recently I got Host D, which has some REALLY nice factory instruments, plays well on my laptop, and plays nicely with Host C. I'm using that most lately.

Hosts C and D both have an annoying way of using VSTI. Fortunately they both do it the same way, and I've gotten used to it.

Oh, and then there's Host Z, which was totally awful, waste of $149 (on sale!), has C/R copy protection (although another product from this vendor has been installed on four machines over two years and I haven't been locked out yet). It didn't handle instruments well, didn't handle MIDI well, basically was cut-and-paste for wav files. One of my more expensive musical mistakes. I hear the new release is even more bloated, but some people sing its praises.

Doug

[Rednroll]

I hate:

Host A: Because it has the ideal user interface but it doesn't have Rewire support so that I can effeciently use other hosts with it to make up for it's lack of functionality in other areas.

Host B: Because it has a lot of the functionality that I want in Host A, but on the other side of the coin doesn't have the features that are in Host A. It has rewire support, but again I can't rewire it to Host A, because Host A doesn't have rewire, so again I hate Host A.

Host C: It has all the features that I want in Host A and Host B combined into one, but lacks the user interface that I desire which are in Host A and Host B. Then it doesn't offer a demo that I can download, so that I could try overcoming the user interface drawbacks before I buy it. I also hate that it requires a dongle to operate.

[stag]

Damn ugly to look at.

[diverdee]

Host A: 1)rewire support - why only mono bloody channels?
Which leads logically to 2)inflexible routing - have to create groups for stereo rewire, but it is important how one sets the groups up initially, as changing the routing order etc. is a nightmare, you basically have to start again from scratch. don't even think about using groups for send effects & then later deciding that you need to send some of the output of a group you added later to an earlier group (if you know what I mean) you have to pretty much start from scratch again & woe betide you if you were using any form of 'generic' automation.
3)unintuitive long winded way of using 'generic' controllers for automation
4) Still no drag & drop, changing the order of effects etc.

[griels]

Pattern based, involves the use of idiosyncratic diagonal lines in the pattern sequencer to sequence tunes of any complexity, no direct sustain pedal support, limited routing, no PDC, no Mac version.

I think you get the picture

Most hosts (including the former): very limited drum editor (locked to grid lines or some gimmicky workaround like offset/retrig), limited MIDI processing/quantisation options.

My own host: resource hog, lots of jumping through hoops for more idiosyncratic routing, oversized GUI, clumsy window/screen real estate handling. But I love it anyway

[Kriminal]

Most hosts (including the former): very limited drum editor (locked to grid lines or some gimmicky workaround like offset/retrig)

Can you not turn off Snap To Grid?

[griels]

Can you not turn off Snap To Grid?

Depends on the host... Maybe Orion offers that? A lot of so called 'drum editors' don't.

[CorrosiveGod]

A) very clunky gui, must jump through hoops to add audio effects to a channel becuase you have to press several buttons in the HUGE mixer window to get the inserts to show. Lack of a good included sampler, effects, and synths.

B) No windows version becuase this company was bought and they pulled the windows version, but more expensive than host A.

[Kriminal]

Can you not turn off Snap To Grid?

Depends on the host... Maybe Orion offers that? A lot of so called 'drum editors' don't.

Orion does do that, i assumed that was what you were talking about

It has auto quantise, but its off by default when recording MIDI.

[griels]

Orion does do that, i assumed that was what you were talking about

Nope...

It has auto quantise, but its off by default when recording MIDI.

Ooh nice.. I'll have to check it out...

[Kriminal]

It even has a Jath Swing Humanise feature ...honest

[griels]

It even has a Jath Swing Humanise feature ...honest

[Kriminal]

I meant Groove Template (you can make your own too)