Your feelings on "impulse ethics"

[emdot_ambient]

I persist in guilt free use of IRs.

And persist you should, at least until the law is clarified. It may not make sense or even be fair, but I can definitely see the law being defined to protect the hardware makers....

Is there even a push to do this? Has anyone heard of legal pressure being placed on lawmakers? I'd be surprised if the hardware manufacturers of this kind of gear have enough political clout to force something through. RIAA is different, they represent HUGE commercial interests. But manufacturers like TC and Eventide? I don't think the lawmakers care a tinker's cuss about them. Too small potatoes.

[cptgone]

The state of copyright law is totally fuxx0red, IMHO. And the music industry has taken it to a whole new level of FUBAR.

So true!

[Amberience]

The state of copyright law is totally fuxx0red, IMHO. And the music industry has taken it to a whole new level of FUBAR.

Thus the reason why P2P is a good thing.

[dburgan]

The state of copyright law is totally fuxx0red, IMHO. And the music industry has taken it to a whole new level of FUBAR.

Thus the reason why P2P is a good thing.

Actually I disagree. The P2P phenomenon - in reality - has nothing to do with how messed up copyright law is, in my opinion. It is used as an excuse by the RIAA to justify their absurd stances on many copyright issues, but doesn't really have anything to do with why the copyright law is so confusing and slanted. This, in turn, is used as an excuse by music bootleggers as to why sharing copyrighted music is O-Kay. To me, neither group is right.

To me, P2P is a way to share data, and not a thing more. Any kind of data, not just mp3's. It is fundamentally no different than ftp or burnable CDs in my view, just more convenient. Like all technology, it is a technology that can be used for legal things or illegal things. It is the user who chooses to do illegal things with it. Thus it is not the technology itself that is to blame for piracy over P2P.

Anyway let's not hijack the thread into a discussion about P2P or piracy. This thread is about the ethics of using IRs of hardware devices, when the hardware manufacturer has not be compensated.

[Frippertronix]

The state of copyright law is totally fuxx0red, IMHO. And the music industry has taken it to a whole new level of FUBAR.

Thus the reason why P2P is a good thing.

Actually I disagree. The P2P phenomenon - in reality - has nothing to do with how messed up copyright law is, in my opinion. It is used as an excuse by the RIAA to justify their absurd stances on many copyright issues, but doesn't really have anything to do with why the copyright law is so confusing and slanted. This, in turn, is used as an excuse by music bootleggers as to why sharing copyrighted music is O-Kay. To me, neither group is right.

To me, P2P is a way to share data, and not a thing more. Any kind of data, not just mp3's. It is fundamentally no different than ftp or burnable CDs in my view, just more convenient. Like all technology, it is a technology that can be used for legal things or illegal things. It is the user who chooses to do illegal things with it. Thus it is not the technology itself that is to blame for piracy over P2P.

Anyway let's not hijack the thread into a discussion about P2P or piracy. This thread is about the ethics of using IRs of hardware devices, when the hardware manufacturer has not be compensated.

Yea, one wonders if, in a world with perfect copyright laws and no CD price gouging, if heavy P2P users would really just up and stop doing illegal P2P.

I doubt it.

[dburgan]

That's exactly my point: P2P is neither an effect of nor cause of confusing and corrupt copyright law. It has nothing to do with it.

[kritikon]

But if free IRs from Lexicons were not available, would you shell out the cash for a real one . . . assuming you have no more free resources than you do now?

Yes, absolutely I would. I've come close to selling a few bits of h/w to get a newer PCM91. The only reason I haven't so far is because I can get by with impulses. Also the fact that s/w develops so quickly means in the back of my mind, I'm hoping sometime soon there will actually be a choice of decent native reverbs - not yet, but we're close possibly.
It's a quality thing...the vast majority of native reverbs are just crap compared to the real deal. Personally I have always been prepared to pay for quality - I don't expect to get it for free.

So for me...yes, impulses have lost Lexicon another sale. It is mostly a specific sound I want with reverb - Lexicon are the company that provide that sound (although, I'd splash out on an Eventide if I could). Convolution has enabled sampling of Lexicon outboard -> I see no difference between sampling and convolution. All sampling is not illegal though, and so far convolution from specific outboard samples is not illegal. I really don't think it's a long stretch from the illegality of ripping synthesizer onboard samples (which is illegal) and ripping impulses from outboard presets. But at the moment I can do it without breaking the law, so I do. Doesn't mean I feel completely at ease with it though. Unlike too many people nowadays, I don't feel everything should be free, or that the world owes me everything on a plate. And I don't fool myself into thinking I use convolution for anything other than emulating Lexicon and Eventide - I know you can do other things with it, but that's not why I got into convolution at all. And I would still maintain that the majority only use convolution because it's a freebie Lexicon/Eventide/TC. The other stuff is a nice little bonus and distractrion to me and probably most others.

I don't particularly want to piss on anyone's party, because it's still legal AFAIK, but just don't let's all kid ourselves.