Art Acoustic or R66 Verb?

[jmh]

Of course they do - it would just be preferable if they actually knew what they were talking about, that's all

Challenge/response is hardly a system destroying copy protection - and as this has been discussed so many times before... and still the same complainers are whining, looks like some of them (excluding you, I don't know your stance in this matter, Sickle666) still haven't gotten the message.

Not to mention that crusading against PACE's choice of C/R when there's so many other products doing the same...

But to each their own. Some KVR entertainment doesn't hurt =)

JMH

[Sea]

AAR has no PACE or challenge/response to screw you over with. Don't buy anything that requires the continued existance of a dot.com to enable your continued use of their product ...

Does R66 use a PACE or challenge/response?

SEA

[greendoor]

Actually, I don't think it does - but I was hoping somebody could confirm or deny! Best way to find out is to enrage an actual owner :;

[anselmoso]

hi guys,

i just read your reverb thread and thought this would be the perfect place to ask the question, i couldn't find an answer to, yet:

what's the difference between your "beloved commercial reverbs" and some well-known freeware reverbs like these for example:

http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html
http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/
http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-reverb.php


until now i've always been using freeware plugins - my pal is using waves plugins, but i just can't "hear the big difference" -
so what is the difference?
is there really a big difference between "my freebies" and your so loved "commercies" in the sound quality?
if so, could somebody "show me some examples"?

[plastic]

the big difference is that it just sounds better, obviously. like with pretty much every other audio effect there is a big difference in sound quality between similar products. to some degree it's a matter of taste, but the general rule "you get what you pay for" still applies most of the time.

[Sea]

the big difference is that it just sounds better, obviously. like with pretty much every other audio effect there is a big difference in sound quality between similar products. to some degree it's a matter of taste, but the general rule "you get what you pay for" still applies most of the time.

I agree with plastic

Why can developers charge $150 to $200 a plug "IF" there wasn't a noticeable difference?

Now there are good free and donation plugs. SIR and Ambience are very good. However, with the R66 you have 2 verbs (the early reflection and the late reflection) that make a big difference as well as other sound qualities that are described as "Smooth", "Rich" or "Transparent" etc.

SEA

[anselmoso]

the big difference is that it just sounds better, obviously. like with pretty much every other audio effect there is a big difference in sound quality between similar products. to some degree it's a matter of taste, but the general rule "you get what you pay for" still applies most of the time.

I agree with plastic

Why can developers charge $150 to $200 a plug "IF" there wasn't a noticeable difference?

Now there are good free and donation plugs. SIR and Ambience are very good. However, with the R66 you have 2 verbs (the early reflection and the late reflection) that make a big difference as well as other sound qualities that are described as "Smooth", "Rich" or "Transparent" etc.

SEA

Well - everybody can charge money for something:-) that doesn't make it worth the money per se.

I don't know the R66. I only know the Waves RVerb and that wasn't really a "better experience" than my freebies.
As i said before - I would really like some "demonstrations".
Take Ambience Reverb and put it on your vocals with "the best you can get out of it" and then take R66. And then let me hear the difference:-)
One verse or chorus with the lead vocals should be enough to tell the difference - I just can't:-)

[Sea]

Well - everybody can charge money for something:-) that doesn't make it worth the money per se.

I don't know the R66. I only know the Waves RVerb and that wasn't really a "better experience" than my freebies.
As i said before - I would really like some "demonstrations".
Take Ambience Reverb and put it on your vocals with "the best you can get out of it" and then take R66. And then let me hear the difference:-)
One verse or chorus with the lead vocals should be enough to tell the difference - I just can't:-)

That's a good way to test. Do a side by side comparison.

I would suggest take SIR or Ambience, and then download the trial version of the AAR and the R66 and do a short 1 not hit on a piano or something percussive and listen to the difference. You can even take a short vocal snip and do the same. Play with the parameters as well!

The other benefit with the R66 and AAR is the low CPU usage. SIR and Ambience to like to use it a lot

SEA

[anselmoso]

That's a good way to test. Do a side by side comparison.

I would suggest take SIR or Ambience, and then download the trial version of the AAR and the R66 and do a short 1 not hit on a piano or something percussive and listen to the difference. You can even take a short vocal snip and do the same. Play with the parameters as well!

The other benefit with the R66 and AAR is the low CPU usage. SIR and Ambience to like to use it a lot

SEA

i will test the R66 for sure. the mp3 snippets from the page were quite nice. i will test the R66 when i get home from work on some vocals. maybe then i will finally receive my "enlightenment":-)

[Sea]

i will test the R66 for sure. the mp3 snippets from the page were quite nice. i will test the R66 when i get home from work on some vocals. maybe then i will finally receive my "enlightenment":-)

SLAPTM!! (Sounds Like A Plan To Me)

The other thing is listen to some good CD's that feature vocals that are not all cluttered up by music like Diana Krall, and other good ballad singers. Listen to the way the reverb sounds on their voices, the way it trails off and dissipates.

All those studios where the main artist record at probably still use the hardware stuff so that might help as as a reference. Also, it's the hardware boxes that all these plugs are competing with so developers usually A/B their stuff with them.

If you are close to a music store, they might have some high-end boxes as well as the plugs and that's a good place to go to do some comparisons. Bring a few freebee plugs with you to load up on their PC. I go to Sam Ash a lot. The one near me is very helpful.

SEA

[OMU]

I personnaly think that the best way to judge a reverb is related to how well it sounds in a mix. That is the only way that matters because maybe you think a reverb sounds very good when listening in solo but the ultimate challenge is fitting it into the mix. Here, I have to say, Waves RVerb (not TrueVerb) is really great and until now I didn't find an algorithmic reverb to beat it. I have to admit that for some time I don't use algorithmic verbs at all because with a convolution plugin like SIR you can have some of the greatest reverbs of all times right into your mix, and for me, the sound is all that matters, not the cpu and latency. I can live with these if the music will ultimately sound better.
Cheers.
P.S. I would try Wizoo's W2 cause the mp3 examples from their site sound really good but unfortunately there is no demo

[Sea]

I personnaly think that the best way to judge a reverb is related to how well it sounds in a mix... and for me, the sound is all that matters, not the cpu and latency. I can live with these if the music will ultimately sound better.

I agree with you OMU 120%

It's the sound first... THEN the performance next!

SEA

[droolmaster0]

the big difference is that it just sounds better, obviously. like with pretty much every other audio effect there is a big difference in sound quality between similar products. to some degree it's a matter of taste, but the general rule "you get what you pay for" still applies most of the time.

I agree with plastic

Why can developers charge $150 to $200 a plug "IF" there wasn't a noticeable difference?

Now there are good free and donation plugs. SIR and Ambience are very good. However, with the R66 you have 2 verbs (the early reflection and the late reflection) that make a big difference as well as other sound qualities that are described as "Smooth", "Rich" or "Transparent" etc.

SEA

Well - everybody can charge money for something:-) that doesn't make it worth the money per se.

I don't know the R66. I only know the Waves RVerb and that wasn't really a "better experience" than my freebies.
As i said before - I would really like some "demonstrations".
Take Ambience Reverb and put it on your vocals with "the best you can get out of it" and then take R66. And then let me hear the difference:-)
One verse or chorus with the lead vocals should be enough to tell the difference - I just can't:-)

I'm very far from an expert, but I hear a pretty dramatic difference between Ambience and R66 and the Arts Acoustic. The latter two just sound way better, and also very different from each other.

Edit: do I really want to use the word 'dramatic'. Probably not - it's not like reverbs sound as different from each other as other sounds can...the differences, in a way, are quite subtle. But they sure do sound different...

[anselmoso]

i played around with R66 on vocals in one of my mixes for 2 hours and compared it to Ambience Reverb.
And as sad as it sounds: I couldn't hear "a better sound" coming out of R66.
But maybe that's because I'm not "the best mixing engineer", yet...

Maybe I'll get the difference in 1-2 years.

[Sea]

i played around with R66 on vocals in one of my mixes for 2 hours and compared it to Ambience Reverb.
And as sad as it sounds: I couldn't hear "a better sound" coming out of R66.
But maybe that's because I'm not "the best mixing engineer", yet...

Maybe I'll get the difference in 1-2 years.

To me, the R66 sounds more transparent and trails of better. Less grainy and a smoother sound (if that helps).

Also, you have the 2 verbs which work well together where Ambience only has 1 verb. The early reflection is nice to play with!

However, Ambience is very good. I still use it

SEA