That would be interesting to hear
ArtsAcoustic VS Lexicon 960 (or any lexi hardware) :)
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- KVRian
- 533 posts since 2 Jan, 2003 from Staffs, UK
I'm sure someone with a $20,000 dollar hardware verb will be willing to spend time doing this.... Why not use a verb that you like instead of waiting for some pro to tell you they have ditched the lexi and gone soft.
Is it going to help your music knowing that a $200 plugin isn't as good sonically as something your probably never going to own?
Lets say some peoples 'opinion' is that the plugin is as good as the hardware - so what? What will it achieve other than fueling more pointless arguments about something which can be purely subjective.
Software reverbs are very good at what they acheive, so why not be happy that (A) you can get a pretty darn good verb for free to use in your studio/bedroom/laptop in the park etc, (B) that you can trial most 'pay' verbs in your chosen environment for a length of time to deceide what works for you and (C) that they (plugins) work extremely easyily into our obvious chosen working practices (on computers).
Boards like this one are cool for discussing like for like but I fail to see the point in this one. If you have $20,000 to spend on a verb I doubt you would need to ask on a forum if its worth it.
Is it going to help your music knowing that a $200 plugin isn't as good sonically as something your probably never going to own?
Lets say some peoples 'opinion' is that the plugin is as good as the hardware - so what? What will it achieve other than fueling more pointless arguments about something which can be purely subjective.
Software reverbs are very good at what they acheive, so why not be happy that (A) you can get a pretty darn good verb for free to use in your studio/bedroom/laptop in the park etc, (B) that you can trial most 'pay' verbs in your chosen environment for a length of time to deceide what works for you and (C) that they (plugins) work extremely easyily into our obvious chosen working practices (on computers).
Boards like this one are cool for discussing like for like but I fail to see the point in this one. If you have $20,000 to spend on a verb I doubt you would need to ask on a forum if its worth it.
No, that Glitch is meant to be there.....
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Dude chill out. First of all i did not tell(or think) anywhere that 20 000$ hardware will help to my music.
I was thinking only on one VS other and how that will sound...Because i will (probably)never get chance to hear any lexi "live" and i would like to hear in reality what all those people talkin about when someone say something about Lexicon...And since today we have AA and others i am just curious.
If you can help me than help me!
Maybe i did not write whole topic as i was thinking. Sorry because my english is no so good.
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- KVRian
- 533 posts since 2 Jan, 2003 from Staffs, UK
Sorry mate, my last post does look a bit harsh - it wasn't meant to be quite so
Ok, I'll be calmer
My point about these kinds of posts is that the owner of a Lexicon, even a cheaper one, will generally defend it to a point to keep that 'ivory tower' kind of imagery and likewise the cheap plugin owner will depend their purchase to make them look like they aren't 'struggling' and made the decision on quality rather than funds - its human nature. Then the cheap or free plugin user will defend his/her purchase (or non-purchase) over the more expensive plugins that others may use etc etc. My point is will these discussions ever help you choose the plugin or hardware thats right for you? Especially as you can demo 90% or so of plugins mentioned yourself for free and at the end of the day you can only have what you can afford.
Now if you had just asked for some Lexicon 960L processed sounds then that would have made me think differently. The fact that you said 'Vs' made me think the thread would end up in one as one of the usual bullshit advert threads for whatever plugin has been bought by the most posters.
My post was meant to point out that we are at the stage where whatever your budget, (from nil to several thousand, money is no object) you can still get a great sounding verb to suit YOUR needs. If you have a budget of a few hundred then demo those in your range and have all the freebies as a bonus. Learn to use them and get on with the music. The differences are such that now the void is small enough to make very little difference and being a skilled engineer is what is now needed to make a pro sounding recording.
You asked if I can help you. Well I have lots of verbs, some hardware, some software but no Lexicon (certainly not a $20k one
). Therefore I can't help you with your original post as I also don't have the ArtsAcoustic one either. I'm pretty sure from what I've read, is that the AA verb is very good . I don't however, see any point in comparing it here to a $20k Lexicon which would benefit only a very few people who could afford one in the first place.
Errr, I shut up then
Just MHO.
Ok, I'll be calmer
My point about these kinds of posts is that the owner of a Lexicon, even a cheaper one, will generally defend it to a point to keep that 'ivory tower' kind of imagery and likewise the cheap plugin owner will depend their purchase to make them look like they aren't 'struggling' and made the decision on quality rather than funds - its human nature. Then the cheap or free plugin user will defend his/her purchase (or non-purchase) over the more expensive plugins that others may use etc etc. My point is will these discussions ever help you choose the plugin or hardware thats right for you? Especially as you can demo 90% or so of plugins mentioned yourself for free and at the end of the day you can only have what you can afford.
Now if you had just asked for some Lexicon 960L processed sounds then that would have made me think differently. The fact that you said 'Vs' made me think the thread would end up in one as one of the usual bullshit advert threads for whatever plugin has been bought by the most posters.
My post was meant to point out that we are at the stage where whatever your budget, (from nil to several thousand, money is no object) you can still get a great sounding verb to suit YOUR needs. If you have a budget of a few hundred then demo those in your range and have all the freebies as a bonus. Learn to use them and get on with the music. The differences are such that now the void is small enough to make very little difference and being a skilled engineer is what is now needed to make a pro sounding recording.
You asked if I can help you. Well I have lots of verbs, some hardware, some software but no Lexicon (certainly not a $20k one
). Therefore I can't help you with your original post as I also don't have the ArtsAcoustic one either. I'm pretty sure from what I've read, is that the AA verb is very good . I don't however, see any point in comparing it here to a $20k Lexicon which would benefit only a very few people who could afford one in the first place.Errr, I shut up then
Just MHO.
No, that Glitch is meant to be there.....
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
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- KVRAF
- 8706 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
And a quick way to check yourself is to download SIR and some 24bit impulses from Noisevault (there's a reasonable collection of 960 impulses) and A/B it against your s/w reverb of choice. Most s/w verbs will have some presets of plates etc. that have similar settings to some of the impulses.
Like Grain said...there aren't many people who are going to pay studio time to record 960 examples to upload onto this forum ...not that many private users own 960s. Fortunately there are one or two kind people who have uploaded sets of impulses at the Noisevault though - and you need to put your own effort in to try and tweak s/w reverbs to get similar patches.
Like Grain said...there aren't many people who are going to pay studio time to record 960 examples to upload onto this forum ...not that many private users own 960s. Fortunately there are one or two kind people who have uploaded sets of impulses at the Noisevault though - and you need to put your own effort in to try and tweak s/w reverbs to get similar patches.
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- KVRian
- 769 posts since 2 Apr, 2005
I've owned many cheap hardware reverbs, and a cheap Lexicon. The cheap Lexicon was very satisfying for live use, but it was noisy 16 bits. I would say that the good freebie VST verbs are much better - e.g. Glaceverb, Ambiance. SIR - with good impulses of Lexicon, EMT, TC etc is very hard to beat, and is a good reference standard. But I found AAR to be very satisfying in comparison to most of my impulses, and with so much flexibility it's better than any affordable hardware i've ever used.
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- KVRAF
- 1933 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Beyond all space, time, and dimension.
Lexicons aren't really $20,000 are they?
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 30 Mar, 2004 from Phoenix AZ USA
The top of the line 960 is around $21000 retailFrippertronix wrote:Lexicons aren't really $20,000 are they?
but I am sure you can get a better deal on it.
See link below for the best deals:
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=lex ... a=N&tab=wf
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- KVRAF
- 8706 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Top of the range, yes, although you can pick up an MPX for hundreds rather than thousands. And the MPXs are pretty good - I'd much rather use an MPX100 (bottom of the range) than Ambience etc - or pretty well all of the native s/w verbs. In fact I think I'd rather use an older LX version than most s/w verbs. I still have an Alex which sounds better than most s/w verbs (although it's half broken now).Lexicons aren't really $20,000 are they?
But it's down to taste, as ever...if someone gave me a TC6000, I'm pretty sure I'd sell it straight away and buy something useful instead ( I'm not daft enough to refuse one
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- KVRian
- 533 posts since 2 Jan, 2003 from Staffs, UK
It would have been slightly more helpfull to list the 'others' you have heardsnooky wrote:the best reverb I've ever heard was the spacemaster in reaktor...bar none!
Just incase the only other you have heard happened to be Wunderverb3 Isn't the R66 verb written by the guy who did 'spacemaster'? Obviously there is no point in you getting it if you have Reaktor but for others....
Like I said, verbs are pretty subjective and I've got plenty to use already, so I'm not here to tell you what to use. However, while its certainly not a bad idea to have a free convolution verb and some 960L impulses, don't think you will actually have a 960L verb in VST form. There is a bit more to the Lexicon which, granted may not make it $20k better but it will be different. It will give you a pretty damn good idea though.
What I'm getting at is don't listen to a few impulse's thru SIR and start slagging the $20k Lexicon as 'shit'. They aren't.
Just MHO.
No, that Glitch is meant to be there.....
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
http://soundcloud.com/punisha
http://www.myspace.com/punishadubs
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- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
..except that the impulse is static and boring. A real 960 does sound quite a bit better than any of the impulses I've heard. One can only compare the 'density' of the early reflections and tail but get no fair picture of how the real unit fits in a mix (it fits much better than impulses).kritikon wrote:And a quick way to check yourself is to download SIR and some 24bit impulses from Noisevault (there's a reasonable collection of 960 impulses) and A/B it against your s/w reverb of choice. Most s/w verbs will have some presets of plates etc. that have similar settings to some of the impulses..
- bManic