How do YOU feel about your music being pirated?

[Lady J]

the biggest problem musicians have had is that they don't have a strong union like actors.

thank god i get paid more than 15% for acting.

[vurt]

as long as they dont pirate my image as well

[shamann]

its illegal because it is being done without the express permission of the owner of the copyrighted work and the artist has no control over how its presented. i.e. compression, no. of songs and song order - these things may be unimportant to you but they matter a whole lot to me.

What about that?

By that logic, though, radio play is equally an ethical problem, as it reduces the sound quality and plays the song out of the prescribed order, might even juxtapose it with some song you loathe, and you have little control over it, though if you're lucky, you might see a two cent royalty from it.

Another question: If you condone piracy of music, do you also advocate warez?

It doesn't strike me that it was heavy on the condoning, rather saying "Boohoo, get over it you big baby. But my artistic vision, blah blah blah."

The argument about your wishes as a copyright holder is paramount to saying that ethics are defined because you say so.

Copyright exists exclusively to grant a content provider rights under the law to be the sole party to profit from their work. Prior to the invention of copyright laws, was it unethical to sing someone else's song without crediting the songwriter? I can see how churches the world over were racked with guilt over the lack of accreditation on their hymnbooks all those centuries.

And what about reselling LPs or CDs? Unethical? If I resell a CD, you as a musicmaker see no reward from the transaction, nor have any control over what I do with it.

Used to be piracy referred to theft of goods for profit, but now we just use the term to mean the banal copying of material that someone has decreed you shouldn't copy.

[fjell_strom]

Too late, Vurt, I just put it up on emule and watched them go like hot cakes.

[whyterabbyt]

kaden quoth

Then you're not very good at this 'music business' thing, are you?

That's not implicit in what he said. In fact, its probably cos he's rather good at being a tightwad and keeping his creation costs to an absolute minimum.

...and here's the rub: because the system as *you* know it is irrevocably broken, it's only gonna get worse. When the best y'all can do is wrap your artistically important selves in righteous indignation and wail 'But I wrote a SONG...It's VALUABLE!! YOU"RE SUPPOSED TO PAY MEEEEEE...YOU"RE STEEEEEALING', then you deserve *exactly* the future that awaits you.

That kind of attitude can be applied to just about anything where it becomes more and more common for people to take just because they can. Pretty much the kind of thinking the slave industry was based on, for example. "You dont count, deal with it, and get back to work. Oh and thinking you have a right to freedom just means you deserve *exactly* the future that awaits you".

Very easy to justify something with 'tough, get used to it, whiner'. Bit less easy to justify having no regard for someone else's rights or beliefs whatsoever. Especially when its something as mundance as wanting to make some money making music.

I'm sure if someone turned up and stole all your real-life stuff you'd be up in arms. But by your own logic you'd just be a whiner who deserved what you got. More people are stealing, get used to it.

You're an adult. suck it up. Right or wrong, the market has changed, and will continue to change, and no amount of whinging from the massed egos here is gonna change that.

No, the market hasnt. People's sense of entitlement has.

So whaddaya gonna do? Besides whine about it, I mean?

Im starting a record label that will hopefully allow some musicians the facilities they need to sell and distribute their music to their potential audience. What are you doing?

Adapt or Die.

One hopes you dont get bitten by that one when its something you're more protective of. Seriously.

Whilst I have no problems whatsoever making my own music available, I have serious concerns about the level of entitlement people seem to have these days over what they expect to get for free.
And I see a hell of a lot of them do more whining than anybody else. Spend three minutes at Slashdot to see that.

[fjell_strom]

Used to be piracy referred to theft of goods for profit, but now we just use the term to mean the banal copying of material that someone has decreed you shouldn't copy.

Check my post on page seven.

[fjell_strom]

I'm sure if someone turned up and stole all your real-life stuff you'd be up in arms. But by your own logic you'd just be a whiner who deserved what you got. More people are stealing, get used to it.

Check my post on page seven.

[shamann]

That anyone would suggest that copyright and slavery could in any way be likened to one another shows how stupid and misguided this whole argument is.

Please show me where copyright appears in Amnesty International's list of human rights violations, and how p2p has wrought high degrees of human suffering. Equating human life with the right to profit from music is pretty sad.

[fjell_strom]

Truth, shamann.

[whyterabbyt]

shamann quoth That anyone would suggest that copyright and slavery could in any way be likened to one another shows how stupid and misguided this whole argument is.

Please show me where copyright appears in Amnesty International's list of human rights violations, and how p2p has wrought high degrees of human suffering. Equating human life with the right to profit from music is pretty sad.

Try re-reading it again, please. You've entirely misinterpreted what I said.

[whyterabbyt]

fjell_strom quoth

Check my post on page seven.


Now read what I said again. Carefully.

[kaden]

Another question: If you condone piracy of music, do you also advocate warez?

Where exactly did I say that I condoned piracy?

Specifically. Point me to the line of text.


My entire premise has been, and will continue to be 'right or wrong, the old system is broken, the new system is still evolving, and you're gonna have to SOMETHING besides griping about it'. Man, it's a good thing you weren't involved in the buggy whip manufacturing business.

Get creative...adapt or die.

And stop whining. It changes nothing.

K

[Quaternion]

By that logic, though, radio play is equally an ethical problem, as it reduces the sound quality and plays the song out of the prescribed order

True. I'll take care of that as soon as I'll get airplay.

"Boohoo, get over it you big baby. But my artistic vision, blah blah blah."

I'm not whining but asking for opinions from other musicians, how they feel about their music being pirated.

I didn't expect that notorious warez users and losers, who never achieved anything in terms of music would jump in, and attack me for my opinion on the subject. (Jealousy's a MF obviously)

And what about reselling LPs or CDs? Unethical? If I resell a CD, you as a musicmaker see no reward from the transaction, nor have any control over what I do with it.

Reselling implies that you bought it in the first place.

And for the last time: what about warez?

Used to be piracy referred to theft of goods for profit, but now we just use the term to mean the banal copying of material that someone has decreed you shouldn't copy.

Adapt or die.

[xoxos]

the biggest problem musicians have had is that they don't have a strong union like actors.

thank god i get paid more than 15% for acting.

lady j, bless you, but you're a moron.

that's all the f**k we need - more unions and union-think to solve problems.

let's form groups, that will solve oppression! now all of a sudden some innocent peon just doing their thing isnt shit unless they're the official shit.

dont you see that's whats fucknig wrong about everythnig, except, no, you dont, because you're a fucknig wind up robot designed to go around telling everyone how you're the progressive thinker but you love groups and doctors and forms and official shit like a dumb piece of shit.

thaks for holding my life up to a dumb piece of shit and saying "hey! make your life have meaning by giving it reference to this! we need more shit comparison!"

f**k that. we dont need no stinking badges, and until the f**k you 'civilised' people can accomodate your way of life to the GREATER LARGER way of life of not looknig everything up from Central like a pussy then we are all truly, truly f**ked beyond belief.

[Barf]

I read in a newspaper today that according to a new report by the OESO there is no evidence for a link between illegal downloading music and declining sales in the music-industry.