KVR Audio

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:03 pm

Breeze - I totally agree in intellectual property rights, and I can't understand the lame brainers who try to rationise otherwise. As you point out to Hoffy - musicians of all people should respect intellectual property rights more than anyone else, if we expect to not lose all our money making music.

That's exactly why I only want to deal with honest vendors who sell an honest product for an honest price - and who don't treat me as scum by using some con-trick PACE or C/R rubbish. It means they don't respect me, so why should I respect them? It means that the crack community will - for the sheer challenge - WILL find a way to crack it. That means that vendor ultimately WILL go bust, because they reap what they sow. That means, in 10 years time I WON'T be able to use it. You argmument that software gets obsolete anyway is very, very wrong. If I keep my PC with the same OS for 10 years, I will be able to use all my software - even after formatting my drives - except the crap that requires challenge/response authentication. THAT sucks - therefore I WILL not buy anything from these con artists.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:10 pm

I am missing something or do you have to get a 'permission slip' from PACE just to try the 2016 demo?

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:14 am

There is a PACE-less demo version. But why bother?

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:35 am

greendoor wrote:why bother?

Good question. Just to confirm that it is a dull sounding verb in the Timeworks 480 tradition and I'll just wait for the AA / R66 group buy. But they can glue batwings to my ears before I put PACE on my system just for a demo!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:37 am

mandolarian wrote:
greendoor wrote:why bother?
Good question. Just to confirm that it is a dull sounding verb in the Timeworks 480 tradition and I'll just wait for the AA / R66 group buy. But they can glue batwings to my ears before I put PACE on my system just for a demo!

They are not putting PACE on your system. It's a registry key c/r only. No drivers, nothing installed.

Devon

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:45 am

If you say so, but they're demo download page is so intimidating, I got the feeling they'd prefer I just send them money and not bother with downloading the plug. And you know what I don't really care for c/r reg hack on a frikkin' demo....Maybe I'll just save up for AA or R66

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:25 am

mandolarian wrote:If you say so, but they're demo download page is so intimidating, I got the feeling they'd prefer I just send them money and not bother with downloading the plug. And you know what I don't really care for c/r reg hack on a frikkin' demo....Maybe I'll just save up for AA or R66

Ummm... you realize how many plug-ins put stuff in your registry too?

And you call this intimidating?

Download
Version 1.01 is now released!

It fixes problems with renaming programs and loading/saving FXPs and FXBs. It's available on a 30-day free trial offer. After that, you'll need to purchase and register the software. When you do, you'll get a code that can be used to permanently enable the software. Customers with authorized versions of version 1.0 will not have to reauthorize.

Please note: This plug-in uses Pace challenge/response copy protection. It does not require an iLok and does not install any kernel drivers on your system.

Click here to download the plug-in. This zip file includes the plug-in DLL and documentation.

Alternate Demo Download
A new demo version of the plugin is available. It does not use Pace copy protection, but it does not allow loading or saving of FXPs/FXBs and cuts out the audio for 2 seconds every 60 seconds. It cannot be authorized to full functionality (for that you need the Pace protected version). Click here to download the new demo plug-in. This zip file includes the plug-in DLL and documentation.

Devon

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:47 am

Why bother? I hope this vendor, and others, get the message that some of us will NEVER buy PACE or C/R crap. A simple registration key that identifies the owner should be enough. If you find people stealing your software, sue their arse, but why insult the real musicians who might want to buy your product?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:13 am

Windows XP is C/R crap, innit? Are you an XP user? Do you use Photoshop? Also C/R crap.

I, too, have little interest in vendor hostility, but this scheme that Princeton Digital uses seems fairly unintrusive. And lets face it, what's the likelihood you will be using this plugin in ten years any way? Oh, I know, pardon you while you reboot Windows 3.1 on your 486.

droolmaster0 · Post by **droolmaster0** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:16 am

greendoor wrote:Why bother? I hope this vendor, and others, get the message that some of us will NEVER buy PACE or C/R crap. A simple registration key that identifies the owner should be enough. If you find people stealing your software, sue their arse, but why insult the real musicians who might want to buy your product?

I understand your point entirely, and I think it's a good one, but I think I'm going to get in on the Princeton group buy. All things being equal, I'd go for the product with the 'simple registration key'. But all things aren't equal. I don't hear any of the other reverb plugs having'this' sound - which I very much like. I'm not even trying to say that your point isn't important. More of a comment on the fact that it's hard to ultimately pin down what really pisses us off and what only pisses us off intellectually. Maybe in this case, I figure that either they'll still be in business in 10 years, or if not, given the tremendous increase in processing power, I'd want to run something else instead.

For instance, what REALLY pisses me off are companies that don't allow transfers of their products. Damn, that pisses me off.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:22 am

droolmaster0 wrote:For instance, what REALLY pisses me off are companies that don't allow transfers of their products. Damn, that pisses me off.

Now that you mention it, can you transfer the license of this plugin?

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:58 am

DevonB wrote:Ummm... you realize how many plug-ins put stuff in your registry too?

Yes, I do. But not sneaky PACE stuff for a freakin' demo!!! After I buy something and expect to use it then it can be invited into the inner sanctum. But not before. Maybe it's all wine and smooth tails for you, but I've had a hosed system from PACE, so I'm loathe to try even PACE-lite on another system again.

Download
Version 1.01 is now released!
blah, blah.... Devon

This page is new to me. The one I visited, a little while back, made you go to the PACE site first, then you could download the demo. Way too convoluted. Appears they have lightened up a bit since the group buy announcement. I may take them up on the un-PACED demo version. But after that it better be so much better than AA and R66 to have to deal with their pedantic PACE crap. But I understand them better now. They're a ProTools developer, following the Digi biz model, where the user always comes last.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:19 am

Windows XP is C/R crap, innit? Are you an XP user?

Yes - I use XP, reluctantly and yes I hate their c/r too. Maybe we can blame Bill Gates for all this stupidity? But XP is ubiquitous - it will be around in 10 years time, or a more recent version which will still be able to run older software. In fact - that is the entire reason I am against C/R. We WILL have to upgrade or OS - that's bad enough. Why should we then have to re-buy all the software that we have paid full price for? It sucks, and I won't reward this greedy behaviour. Princeton reverb doesn't sound that great if you crank it up and really listen to it. Take a freebie like Glaceverb, apply some dark eq and mix it 6dB lower than you normally would - for my money Glacebverb is superior. And AAR blows it away, with no funny business.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:59 am

mandolarian wrote:
DevonB wrote:Ummm... you realize how many plug-ins put stuff in your registry too?
Yes, I do. But not sneaky PACE stuff for a freakin' demo!!! After I buy something and expect to use it then it can be invited into the inner sanctum. But not before. Maybe it's all wine and smooth tails for you, but I've had a hosed system from PACE, so I'm loathe to try even PACE-lite on another system again.

I've been bitten by PACE too. I did some research on it though when I wrote my review for 2016. I too was leary of a crashing system that decides to bomb on you when you're not even using a PACE plugin, but the PACE driver crashes with a blue screen. I saw it more than once, and then I removed the offending driver, and all was smooth again. Princeton just used the least offensive c/r registry key for this plug, and I've had no issues with my machine crashing.

Devon

Princeton...and PACE

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