june contest ... GOSSIP

[pHz]

Cell phone ring tones is a very lucrative business. The format of the ring tones is very exclusive, too, and companies vehemently guard the incryption.

really ???

(i really ought to wait for IIRs to answer since he makes ringtones for a living)

AFAIK poly ringtones are just sacalable polyphony MIDI files and there are LOADS of free converters around (hell - nokia ship one with their phones so you can make your own)

the realsound ringtones (again AFAIK) are just .mp3 / .rm under a different name (again since many phones allow you to assign standard .mp3 as as ringtone its pretty much a moot point anyway)

slainte rob

[pHz]

d'you hear that Teach? he's calling you out!

and ???

his tarnce powers are no match for my shield of ambient bollocks

slainte rob

[xander]

i think it would be impossible to get 4 hz produced with any speaker - maybe it could be a perceived 4hz through psychoacoustic effects - but not a real 4 Hz fundimental

It's called "infrasonics" and they don't use a speaker. They use a mechanical diaphragm which operates in much the same way as a large air raid siren.

It can knock down a brick wall at 100 metres with it's fundamental resonant frequency.

On the other end of the scale, "ultrasonics" can cause intense headaches and enable us to see through human flesh and other soft substances having content that can be vibrated/modulated and can be used to determine the speed of a moving object like a car or baseball and how far away the 18th hole is......

*speling*

infrasonics. hmmm. nasty. My freind has a fairlight and that can apparently go down to 5hz - I always have wondered what sort of speakers would cope with that - perhaps we should get an infrasonic machine in for a dance party... tehehehe. I also found it interesting that the US military bought quite a few fairlight decks! I have a TR909, and I was wondering what the fundimental frequency on it's kick drum is. I think it is somewhere around a C but I would like to know for sure - know any programs that could work it out?

Well... I know that good quality (perhaps oil-cooled voice-coils) speakers will handle momentary DC -- or 0Hz -- so theoretically you could design one with a cooling system that could reproduce a steady 2Hz or so.

You can use a common oscilloscope to determine the frequency of any audio signal -- as long as the mic or acoustic pick-up you use is capable of detecting it.

But anyway - when I am not a musician - I am a molecular biologist - although have been on sick leave - but was working on changing molecules with the right frequency of light and using feild gradients. I think that as well as the 'pshcoacoustic effects' of sound on brain waves etc that the right frequencies could have other more obvious results... I wondered if it would be possible to work out the size of scent receptors and trigger them with a sound resonating the same way... wouldn't it be odd if a polyphonic ring tone could also smell like perfume - or whatever depending upon whos calling.

Your resonance simply acts like a physical force against the tissue at a certain frequency, with the possible side-effect of heating it up a bit -- that's all it would do. Cellular tissue is immune to various sonic frequencies at nominal amplitudes, with good reason. Anyway, medical labs have already done everything they can with sonics -- too limited.

That's why they use radio waves (microwave & non-ionizing EMF sources).

Then of course you had the brave and brilliant Marie Curie who brought us radiation therapy (using ionizing radio sources -- radio-active isotopes) but who died shortly after from radiation poisening.

X-Ray and Gamma Ray technology has been tried -- in similar ways. Using these to stimulate neuro-receptors to do anything other than melt is like a 747 Jumbo Jet trying to land on a tennis court -- or perhaps more accurately, trying to perform an autopsy on a mosquito with a 50-pound sledge hammer.

If you mean to stimulate nerve cells (in this case, scent receptors) by using sound to 'tease' them into transmitting neurons to the brain that tell it that it is smelling a rose rather than a rat turd, you will make a trillion tax free dollars overnight and I will become Alexander, The Ruler Of Mars, when that happens.

[TristezaOrange]

Here's another contest suggestion:

Right now, I'm listening to Brian Wilson presents Smile.

Lots of just over 2 minute sonic experiments in there.

Why not have the KVR contest for July be 'Upside-down Frown'?

We could add a couple of rules:

1. Must publish the key the 2 minute vignette is in. (reason - someone could arrange these in circle-of-5ths and mix-tape/mashup them - just like what Smile sound like.

2. 2 levels of contest - best Wilson-like vignette, and best 3 part mix tape of the previous submissions.

3. vignettes have to be submitted by 15th of July, mixes by 23rd of July.

-Scott

erm.. what?

Who's brian wilson, what's a vignette? and what's upside down frowning got to do with it?..

Ben

OK, if you are from the US and didn't hear about Brian Wilson's Smile release in recent months, you must have been living under a rock. I don't know about the rest of the world.

Brian Wilson is the resident musical genius and official weirdo of the Beach Boys.

All of those vocal harmonies, the theremin, the whole sound, can almost be single handedly attributed to him.

He release 'Smile' this past year to wide acclaim, as it had been 34 years in the making.

'Upside down frown', is just a cute way to say 'Smile'.

'Vignette' means:
A short, usually descriptive literary sketch.
A short scene or incident, as from a movie.

This is what Brian Wilson's 'Smile' is; a collection of short musical stories all interwoven together.

Hopefully that clears things up.

consider me living under a rock then..

sorry.. some of us werent alive to listen to beach boys etc when it was new.. so we may or may not have an understanding or appreciation (if you will) of brian wilson and his music (even if smile is a new release..)

to be honest I dont think the beach boy's music was really all that great.. over-rated.. but thats my opinion.. I know several of you hold them in high regard

I havent heard smile (outside of a handful of the plonky 30 second clips at amazon) so I cant really say anything about the music persay but the style in the clips isnt doing anything for me at all.. we are on different wavelengths.

count me out of wilson vignettes compo

Hey. Vit's reaction made me think that we should do something really unusual: tarnce with sixties baroque-pop instrumentation You know, apreggiated timpani, repetitive fender bass and vocal harmonies that go 'woooooooooshhhh'. I'm not kidding.

[xander]

Why can't we just go back to doing something simple -- like Zydeco!

[xander]

[Rangtangtang]

Do you mean if someone plays a particular CD, another will turn it off?

[xander]

Hey aieda_cin )

I am happy to chat with you about this -- I'd really enjoy it, but how about we cut and paste our posts to a new one in the Hyde Park Forum (maybe you can call it "Psycho-Acoustics" or whatever), since this is a bit OT for the contest gossip thread, and I'll reply to you in there. K?

[pHz]

its more everything else / off topic thatn HPC i reckon ...

slainte rob

[peppy197]

yeah....
I consider the beatles overrated too... although they have a few songs I too like..

I can understand your point of view but I dont think that you understand your own reason for thinking that way.

At the time the Beatles and Beach Boys came on the scene, they were the tops, the greatest things of yet.

Now to compare them to all the music that has since been made is somewhat sideways to what they actually were. Its like saying you dont care for the styles of clothes from 1500 era and cannot see what the fuss was all about, like, why did they not wear bikinis??.

[xander]

its more everything else / off topic thatn HPC i reckon ...

slainte rob

Yikes!! It's awake!



Dang.. busted again...

[VitaminD]

yeah....
I consider the beatles overrated too... although they have a few songs I too like..

I can understand your point of view but I dont think that you understand your own reason for thinking that way.

At the time the Beatles and Beach Boys came on the scene, they were the tops, the greatest things of yet.

Now to compare them to all the music that has since been made is somewhat sideways to what they actually were. Its like saying you dont care for the styles of clothes from 1500 era and cannot see what the fuss was all about, like, why did they not wear bikinis??.

well I (we) dont live in the 16th century so why should we?

remote controls were magical back in the day but do we still consider it a great marvel of technology or dont most of us just take it for granted and use it?


same thing with the music.. the beatles arent anything special to me because I dont hear any unique qualities or extraordinary abilities/differences in their music.. I do notice they have their own sound persay but it still fits into the era of their music.. even though it spanded for awhile..

so why should I personally consider them great/excellent/bestthingever ? because they were the first at something? I dont personally believe thats approachable as an actual reason..

and the beach boys? no thanks.. I'm not into that stuff at all.. makes for good summer toyota commercial music but I couldnt see myself listening to it outside of that.. diff strokes and stuff..

[VitaminD]

d'you hear that Teach? he's calling you out!

and ???

his tarnce powers are no match for my shield of ambient bollocks

yeah I'm callin' yew out.. HIGHHH NOOOOOON!!!! *watches the tumbleweed roll by*


no tarnce powers here.. but trance powers? yup, you're in trouble mister!










actually ambient and trance styles go together quite nicely... but why not put a teencey bit more effort into picking something more limiting/different than 'emulate this genre' or 'free for all' ? that is outside of brian wilson, beachboys, beatles, or any music from the 60s especially those involving geeetarrr.

[juanito]

Wow, I didn't know Lady J was so Hott!

Dayumm!

[Gregjazz]

We should just have a flashback 70's contest next. That could get funky!