Hi
I have done the research and listened to both demos.
I can't decide between the two - they are both excellent and both different.
BUT I CAN ONLY BUY ONE.
Which should I buy, and why?
I am working on Pop/rock music (think Crowded House, Split Enz, Wilco)
Thanks!
Shaun
Help me decide - UAD-1 Plate 140 or Artsacoustic Reverb?
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celebritymusic celebritymusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=72616
- KVRer
- 8 posts since 21 Jun, 2005
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- KVRian
- 1032 posts since 2 Aug, 2004
I own both, and like both. I'd say that the AAR is capable of a wider variety of sounds, and so would probably be more flexible if you only had one.celebritymusic wrote:Hi
I have done the research and listened to both demos.
I can't decide between the two - they are both excellent and both different.
BUT I CAN ONLY BUY ONE.
Which should I buy, and why?
I am working on Pop/rock music (think Crowded House, Split Enz, Wilco)
Thanks!
Shaun
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from within you without you
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 30 Mar, 2004 from Phoenix AZ USA
Hmm.... let me understand this....celebritymusic wrote:Hi
I have done the research and listened to both demos.
I can't decide between the two - they are both excellent and both different.
BUT I CAN ONLY BUY ONE.
Which should I buy, and why?
I am working on Pop/rock music (think Crowded House, Split Enz, Wilco)
Thanks!
Shaun
The UAD-1 Plate140 runs on the UAD-1 DSP card only.
Do you own a UAD-1 card? ($399)
Are you planning to get one?
If so RealVerb comes with the UAD-1 card (the plate-140 is an add-on extra $149)
So basically you end up with both RealVerb and the Plate140.
These are both killers, and if you own them you are more or less set for anything reverb related.
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from within you without you
Great point, Andrew. Shit, I didn't even think about Realverb...
What sort of monitors do you use that AAR vs. Plate 140 would be a debate? Just curious.
What sort of monitors do you use that AAR vs. Plate 140 would be a debate? Just curious.
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celebritymusic celebritymusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=72616
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 21 Jun, 2005
Hi
I'll be receiving a pair of MAckie HR-824's in the post soon.
I really liked the sound of the Plate 140 demo, so will definitely buy it.
I don't particularly like the RealVerb plug on the UAD-1, and have heard mainly negative comments on Dreamverb, so I wanted to do some research on an alternative reverb plugin that would compliment the PLate 140 (I'm guessing that a plate isn't suitable for every reverb application).
I have been using Lexi 90 convolutions with Sir, and have been pleased with the results - they add a nice space to things. However, Sir is pretty cpu hungry, and there's not much CPU on the dinner table!!!
So my mission was to find the best sounding reverb plugin (to suit my taste)- that would make it worthwhile consuming all that CPU power (Sir is nice, but I reckon there's better).
So I wandered into KVR for the first time in ages, and after a few hours stumbled on a few threads that mentioned the Artsacoustic reverb, and how it's the only native plug that can cut it with the kings of the hardware world.
I started this thread because I wanted to see if it was absolutely necessary for me to get another verb besides the Plate 140. I figured that if people left comments about why they like either reverb, I could decide if having AAR is worthwhile.
I'm yet to listen to the demo of AAR, but as I am a novice mixer (who may not be able to tell if it's a good verb), I thought it would be nice to have a few comments on the AAR to guide me a little.
Maybe I should have entitled the thread 'Is the PLate 140 enough, or should I have another reverb plug in my kit, and if so, which one gives the closest performance to a good arsenal of hardware verb units?'
More thoughts on this - please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks - Shaun
ps I'm still looking for another UAD-1 card for my DAW
I'll be receiving a pair of MAckie HR-824's in the post soon.
I really liked the sound of the Plate 140 demo, so will definitely buy it.
I don't particularly like the RealVerb plug on the UAD-1, and have heard mainly negative comments on Dreamverb, so I wanted to do some research on an alternative reverb plugin that would compliment the PLate 140 (I'm guessing that a plate isn't suitable for every reverb application).
I have been using Lexi 90 convolutions with Sir, and have been pleased with the results - they add a nice space to things. However, Sir is pretty cpu hungry, and there's not much CPU on the dinner table!!!
So my mission was to find the best sounding reverb plugin (to suit my taste)- that would make it worthwhile consuming all that CPU power (Sir is nice, but I reckon there's better).
So I wandered into KVR for the first time in ages, and after a few hours stumbled on a few threads that mentioned the Artsacoustic reverb, and how it's the only native plug that can cut it with the kings of the hardware world.
I started this thread because I wanted to see if it was absolutely necessary for me to get another verb besides the Plate 140. I figured that if people left comments about why they like either reverb, I could decide if having AAR is worthwhile.
I'm yet to listen to the demo of AAR, but as I am a novice mixer (who may not be able to tell if it's a good verb), I thought it would be nice to have a few comments on the AAR to guide me a little.
Maybe I should have entitled the thread 'Is the PLate 140 enough, or should I have another reverb plug in my kit, and if so, which one gives the closest performance to a good arsenal of hardware verb units?'
More thoughts on this - please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks - Shaun
ps I'm still looking for another UAD-1 card for my DAW
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- KVRian
- 1023 posts since 14 Jan, 2004 from germany
whats's wrong about RealVerb and DreamVerb ?
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celebritymusic celebritymusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=72616
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 21 Jun, 2005
Realverb (for me anyway) sounds like added reverb - it doesn't seem to put the instrument in a space. I assumed Dreamverb would be more of the same judging by a mojority of opinions.
I like a verb (aprt from the plate) that makes it sound like you've added in a room mic witht he actual instrument. AAR is supposed to be good for that.
I like a verb (aprt from the plate) that makes it sound like you've added in a room mic witht he actual instrument. AAR is supposed to be good for that.
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from within you without you
The entire Dark Side of the Moon album was recorded with a single Plate 140.
None will compete with the best hardware verb. Only against other native verbs.
Maybe look into the Voxengo AnalogFlux Delay to take care of some reverb tasks, too. Delay often sounds 10x better in a mix and adds what you need.
None will compete with the best hardware verb. Only against other native verbs.
Maybe look into the Voxengo AnalogFlux Delay to take care of some reverb tasks, too. Delay often sounds 10x better in a mix and adds what you need.
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- KVRian
- 1023 posts since 14 Jan, 2004 from germany
I have no problem with RealVerb - sounds good to me - but maybe my ears are broken from all that noise i'm doing ...celebritymusic wrote:Realverb (for me anyway) sounds like added reverb - it doesn't seem to put the instrument in a space. I assumed Dreamverb would be more of the same judging by a mojority of opinions.
I like a verb (aprt from the plate) that makes it sound like you've added in a room mic witht he actual instrument. AAR is supposed to be good for that.
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- KVRist
- 49 posts since 12 Jun, 2003
celebritymusic, I find realverb excellent for electric guitar and drums. For acoustic guitar though I havent found a sweet spot yet, at least not like your describing as room mic effect. I too have only found it with convo plugs at this point. That or recording in my bathroom.
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celebritymusic celebritymusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=72616
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 21 Jun, 2005
Hi
Have just tried the AAR demo (mind you, it's 3.19am here!)
I was a/bing it againts some Lexi90 convuls in Sir. Keep in mind that I have never been up close with a real Lexi or any other high end reverb.
The AAR is very pretty and crystal, although there is more than enough parameters to make things dirty if required. The verb sounds big, but not cluttered - I could imagine it would fit nicely into a mix.
The Lexi verbs had more character, and made my snare track sound more roomy, thicker, which may or may not be a good thing for mixing. It's hard to a/b when the presets are completely different from each other. I'm sure I could make the AAR sound like the Lexi convuls if I spent enough time.
The CPU meter was chewed up more by theAAR in high mode than SIR, which used almost half the CPU power.
I would definitely use AAR in and sort of orchestral, or solo acoustic instrument application - it really sounds smooth and sweet and doesn't colour the instrument - just gives the room sound - puts it in a space. I think the LExi convuls are better for rock and alternate mixes, cause they colour the sound as well as add space.
At this stage, I would stick with Sir until I needed something else, and then shell out for AAR. But I will try some more experimenting after I've slept - I may change my mind with fresh ears!!!
Man, I'm so novice!
Have just tried the AAR demo (mind you, it's 3.19am here!)
I was a/bing it againts some Lexi90 convuls in Sir. Keep in mind that I have never been up close with a real Lexi or any other high end reverb.
The AAR is very pretty and crystal, although there is more than enough parameters to make things dirty if required. The verb sounds big, but not cluttered - I could imagine it would fit nicely into a mix.
The Lexi verbs had more character, and made my snare track sound more roomy, thicker, which may or may not be a good thing for mixing. It's hard to a/b when the presets are completely different from each other. I'm sure I could make the AAR sound like the Lexi convuls if I spent enough time.
The CPU meter was chewed up more by theAAR in high mode than SIR, which used almost half the CPU power.
I would definitely use AAR in and sort of orchestral, or solo acoustic instrument application - it really sounds smooth and sweet and doesn't colour the instrument - just gives the room sound - puts it in a space. I think the LExi convuls are better for rock and alternate mixes, cause they colour the sound as well as add space.
At this stage, I would stick with Sir until I needed something else, and then shell out for AAR. But I will try some more experimenting after I've slept - I may change my mind with fresh ears!!!
Man, I'm so novice!
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- KVRian
- 769 posts since 2 Apr, 2005
Don't judge any reverb by the presets. The presets in AAR are a good start, but I found the real gold by tweaking my own. And it's such a delightful GUI, it's fast and intuitive. For example, the Snare presets are ok, but I found some real nice Lexicon-ish sounds using the Fast algorithm. The more time you spend with it, the more I think you would like it - that's how i've found it anyway. I've owned many hardware reverbs, including a cheap Lexicon, and this is way better.
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Ah...someone is listening after all.JeffSanders wrote:Delay often sounds 10x better in a mix and adds what you need.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu
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- KVRist
- 60 posts since 9 Dec, 2004 from Inukjuak
I've got both the VSS3 and Plate 140, and after trying the Arts Acoustic demo, I am definitly going to get it asap. As far as I'm concerned it rocks. Love it.