Live 5 beta

[WillieJenkins]

the 'done' was for the rmx post I think, and he's right it does indeed work.

[stale bread]

a headquest I think you've been investigating the 'freeze' more than anyone, can you give a laymens term explanation of wtf it does and how?

[blortblort]

Hey headquest -- how about MIDI record res? anything inbetween 1/32 and none?

Do you mean "record quantise" values (in the edit menu)?

In Live 4 you could record quantisation to <none>, 1/4, 1/8, 1/8 triplets, 1/16, 1/16 triplets.

In Live 5 this is expanded to include options to recognise 1/8 + 1/8 triplets and 1/16 + 1/16 triplets. I've not tested how this works yet.

You can still record without quantisation and then edit up to values of 1/1024 (possibly further even?)

Is this what you meant?

yep- that's what I meant, maybe I'm just being lazy, but I was hoping for 1/64 or at least a 1/32 resolution on the record quantize. It's great that we can record with none and then go back and edit to our heart's content down to a 1/1024 res, but with current MIDI edit GUI in Live, it's a little tedious for us geezers with less than perfect vision and waning patience

[dlt123]

i wonder meself, cause folks were talking so much about the quality of the sound and according to all accounts the new warping engine sounds and functions stuningly.

Now this is something I am very interested in. Has the sound quality as a whole, been improved, not just the Warp Engine, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

I've recently purchased Samplitude Pro V8.2 and it's sound engine is stunning. It sounds much cleaner, refined and much more full to my ears than Live4 does.

Again, did Live5 improve their sound engine?

Note: This isn't a slam on Live4, but it just doesn't sound as good as Sam's sound engine does to my ears.

Thanks,
DennisT

[olafmol]

i wonder meself, cause folks were talking so much about the quality of the sound and according to all accounts the new warping engine sounds and functions stuningly.

Now this is something I am very interested in. Has the sound quality as a whole, been improved, not just the Warp Engine, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

I've recently purchased Samplitude Pro V8.2 and it's sound engine is stunning. It sounds much cleaner, refined and much more full to my ears than Live4 does.

Again, did Live5 improve their sound engine?

Note: This isn't a slam on Live4, but it just doesn't sound as good as Sam's sound engine does to my ears.

Thanks,
DennisT

are you sure you weren't clipping the channels/main out in live 4?

[dlt123]

i wonder meself, cause folks were talking so much about the quality of the sound and according to all accounts the new warping engine sounds and functions stuningly.

Now this is something I am very interested in. Has the sound quality as a whole, been improved, not just the Warp Engine, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

I've recently purchased Samplitude Pro V8.2 and it's sound engine is stunning. It sounds much cleaner, refined and much more full to my ears than Live4 does.

Again, did Live5 improve their sound engine?

Note: This isn't a slam on Live4, but it just doesn't sound as good as Sam's sound engine does to my ears.

Thanks,
DennisT

are you sure you weren't clipping the channels/main out in live 4?

Your question makes me feel you haven't used Samplitude.

The answer is NO, it wasn't clipping. I've been using Live4 for awhile and I do love Live.

Hate to shake your world.

DennisT

[headquest]

i wonder meself, cause folks were talking so much about the quality of the sound and according to all accounts the new warping engine sounds and functions stuningly.

Now this is something I am very interested in. Has the sound quality as a whole, been improved, not just the Warp Engine, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

The sound quality in Live 5 is outstanding, and yes, the new "complex" warp mode is probably the best timestretch I have ever (knowingly) heard and a giant leap forward in terms of Live. Low key in the initial publcity, but this improvement is definitel a biggie!

I do think that the overall sound quality is also better, but of course the improved timestretch is a contributing factor.

dlt123, I used to think that the sound quality in Live 4 was a bit lower than I expected, and possibly "brittle" as you say. I belive though that it was largely down to Live's reverb, which it turns out isn't basically to my taste (I like warm analogue sounds).

On my aux send/return A I substituted the Live Reverb that I did have there (in my saved template for all projects) with the freeware Kjaerhus Classic reverb. I also dropped the Kjaerhus Master Limiter on the master strip in Live. This improved the sound quality immensely.

In Live 5 I have not been using these plugs, but it still sounds great, so I guess therein lies your answer.

[headquest]

I was hoping for 1/64 or at least a 1/32 resolution on the record quantize. It's great that we can record with none and then go back and edit to our heart's content down to a 1/1024 res, but with current MIDI edit GUI in Live, it's a little tedious for us geezers with less than perfect vision and waning patience

I think that the quantisation features in Live 5 include other improvements that I have not yet discovered/tested (there's no pdf manual with the beta, either).

I read this posted on the Abes forum:

They fixed the quantise!!!!

We can now quantise starts and ends AND to a percentage. This wasn't mentioned and has pleased me greatly. Also, anyone used to midi editing in Logic, ie note and velocity preview will be pleasantly surprised

This app is f**king AMAZING, the Abes have REALLY done it this time.

Hope that helps.

[headquest]

a headquest I think you've been investigating the 'freeze' more than anyone, can you give a laymens term explanation of wtf it does and how?

Okay, I'll try .

First though, let me say I have been doing more testing on the freeze function, and it was working successfully as I expected today, unlike on Sunday so maybe there's a bit of trial and error involved here

In either Arrangement or Session view, you select a track. Then from the edit menu, select "Freeze Track". As you would expect this takes a little while, so a progress meter bar appears. If you have already recorded an arrangement it takes longer than if you simply have a pile of clips in Session view. Overall it is quicker than Cubase or Adobe Audition, but similar time to Tracktion's freeze when you are dealing with a full arrangement, or faster than all the others if you just deal with clips in Session.

One the track has been forzen, it turns a rather lurid shade of turquoise. All forzen aspects of the clip, including the vertical Session view and horizontal Arrangement view of the track, and including the devices area at the bottom of the screen.

The following do not turn turquoise, and can still be adjusted even after the clip is frozen:

* Clip launcher (very significant, and I previously thought this doesn't work... IT DOES!
* Track level/volume slider
* Track pan
* Track solo/mute
* Aux send amount
* Crossfading controls, including the A/B switches

All these worked in my test this morning.

So here are the options this feature allows you:

1. When clips are frozen in the Session view you can record a brand new arrangement - or overdub/replace an existing one - by launching the frozen clips live in real time.

2. You can also remix a project to quite an advanced extent while clips/tracks are frozen

3. You can save Live session files with frozen tracks, and open them for further editing on a different PC. This will be useful for collaberating with others who do not have the same VSTs as you, or when moving projects between different systems of your own.

4. Frozen clips appear in a temp directory from where it is possible to duplicate them and copy them as audio files into other projects, etc, without rendering them seperately.

The only thing I have found that I think is the cause of confusion or annoyance is that if you do tweak your mixing parameters or arrangement using frozen clips, they seem to auto-defrost once you are done. I'm not sure if this is a little buggette, but Robert Henke has explained that they are looking at further improving this feature to include something more akin to "Render in Place" that appears in some sequencers... the issue being that MIDI and Audio do not presently share tracks within Live's paradigm.

I think - having tested this some more today - that any disappointment in Live 5's freeze has been overstated, and is largely down to users (including me) still getting to grips with how it works. It is actually a very powerful feature

I hope this helps. If I have just confused you more, please ask and I'll do my best to clarify anything.

[zai]

I haven't had a chance to really play with Live 4 even...but I bought the upgrade anyway...and looking forward in getting V5.

I was so excited when Cakewalk introduced P5V2...and was wishing that I would be able to play with it...then I realized that I'm on a Mac. So, I was looking/hoping that Live4 would work the same way...then all of a sudden, they announced Live5! I was so happy...in just reading some of the features...looks great.

Anyway, now I don't have to go buy a PC just to run P5V2... I know, there are differences, but I think I could get by by just using Live5.

Zai

[WillieJenkins]

The main objections on the abes forum are coming because people wanted the live freeze and device chains to be => then p5v2s. The abes have in both instances already stated they'd like to improve these features, so I'm hoping we might see some free point releases that give us slightly better functionality.

Personally its not that big a deal to me.

[WillieJenkins]

If you want a realtime host, Live5 is still > then P5v2 imo. So you're ahead of the game by having Live5

[waveriderarts]

, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

What kind of tests did you do for that????? Hosts do not color their sound, Live timestech does, but vsts sound the same as in any host.

[olafmol]

i wonder meself, cause folks were talking so much about the quality of the sound and according to all accounts the new warping engine sounds and functions stuningly.

Now this is something I am very interested in. Has the sound quality as a whole, been improved, not just the Warp Engine, but all of Live4's sound quality? I felt that Live4 had a brittle or sharp sound and this just wasn't my ears.

I've recently purchased Samplitude Pro V8.2 and it's sound engine is stunning. It sounds much cleaner, refined and much more full to my ears than Live4 does.

Again, did Live5 improve their sound engine?

Note: This isn't a slam on Live4, but it just doesn't sound as good as Sam's sound engine does to my ears.

Thanks,
DennisT

are you sure you weren't clipping the channels/main out in live 4?

Your question makes me feel you haven't used Samplitude.

The answer is NO, it wasn't clipping. I've been using Live4 for awhile and I do love Live.

Hate to shake your world.

DennisT

nice how you assume i didn't checkout samplitude.... really, my personal experience in a good monitoring-environment and with non-tired ears is that the summing-engines of the big DAW's are really very close, so close it's not really possible to find consistent differences...... most of the time what you hear is either differences in headroom and/or gainstructure or panning-law .... ie louder sounds better.... or it's some overlooked processing going on....simply playing back a non-warped sample-loop in HQ setting in live 4 should give the same results as in samplitude..... make sure you correct for differences in level...

just my 2 cents of course, if you prefer the sound of samplitude then for all means use samplitude

Olaf

[headquest]

The main objections on the abes forum are coming because people wanted the live freeze and device chains to be => then p5v2s.

That needs to be understood in the context that only a very small minority are expressing "objections" at all over on the Abes forum right now... Total euphoria has broken out and a national holiday has been declared

Now that I've got to grips with it better I think that the Live 5 freeze is truly the business even as it is. I think it probably exceeds P5v2 but I did not test that so long as Live 5. And I know that the freeze in Sonar is great and flexible.

Regarding device chains, until the Props announced their Combinator I don't think most of us would have been requesting device chains. How ever did we live without them for so long?

The abes have in both instances already stated they'd like to improve these features, so I'm hoping we might see some free point releases that give us slightly better functionality.

I think we can be certain of it