Live 5 beta

[drez]

a headquest I think you've been investigating the 'freeze' more than anyone, can you give a laymens term explanation of wtf it does and how?

Okay, I'll try .

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I hope this helps. If I have just confused you more, please ask and I'll do my best to clarify anything.

Thank you, headquest! That was a very good description of what the Freeze is and isn't capable of. Thanks for taking the time.

The temp folder trick I wasn't aware of! That is pretty massive, actually. It can be a quick "render in place" replacement if you just set that directory up in your browser and drag files onto tracks.

Yeah, surely the "auto-defrost" thing is a bug. The one thing on the boards this morning was that in Arrangement view, you can "record" automation of volume, panning, etc on frozen channels, but there is no way to "automate" them. Ingo from ableton confirmed that there were lots of things that should be automatable and that they are working on it...probably not this release methinks, but in an update most likely.

[drez]

Oh yeah, the one thing freeze does NOT do is that it doesn't freeze rewire channels because MIDI drives it from another channel. That really disappoints me because I use Reason all the time. Tracktion would do it, but I see why it isn't capable on Live because they separate the MIDI and Audio. I wish they would "link" the two or better "combine" them so that we could get freeze and also decrease our channel counts.

[headquest]

Oh yeah, the one thing freeze does NOT do is that it doesn't freeze rewire channels because MIDI drives it from another channel. That really disappoints me because I use Reason all the time. Tracktion would do it, but I see why it isn't capable on Live because they separate the MIDI and Audio. I wish they would "link" the two or better "combine" them so that we could get freeze and also decrease our channel counts.

Yeah, it would be rether nice if "Channel Groups" could exist which visually look like Device Groups (i.e. a merged border). I bet they thought of that already, but I might just have to go post an FR on Ableton

Regarding Reason, I usually just bounce to audio anyway in Live. I see this as one advantage that Rewire has over VST... you can have Reason recognise the MIDI input from your keyboard/controller without touching the MIDI side of things in Live, (Reason can quantise the incoming notes too if you wish, again without recourse to Live), minimise Reason, activate record on an audio clip in Live and start playing. That is such a nice way to go

[Reqs]

Regarding device chains, until the Props announced their Combinator I don't think most of us would have been requesting device chains. How ever did we live without them for so long?

Racks in Tracktion are what sold me on device chaining. It is an incrediby handy feature for doing things like setting up multiple guitar effects chains and moving quickly through them. I have a copy of eXT, but have not tried using it with Live. It may be a suitable workaround for this issue.

[RawTheory]

Regarding Reason, I usually just bounce to audio anyway in Live. I see this as one advantage that Rewire has over VST... you can have Reason recognise the MIDI input from your keyboard/controller without touching the MIDI side of things in Live, (Reason can quantise the incoming notes too if you wish, again without recourse to Live), minimise Reason, activate record on an audio clip in Live and start playing. That is such a nice way to go

So you don't take advantage of the midi capabilities in Live huh...Well I use reason with Live and I've just started using the MIDI in Live instead of the Reason sequencer because MIDI editing in Reason always drove me crazy. I would always have to struggle with it to copy and paste because the quantize never felt intuitive. I do use your tech. for working with the Redrum although I'm going to start adding drum fills with MIDI on my latest project.

[soulkraka]

So here are the options this feature allows you:

1. When clips are frozen in the Session view you can record a brand new arrangement - or overdub/replace an existing one - by launching the frozen clips live in real time.

wow!! This is what I originally thought Live5 is capable of upon reading the new features. Then everyone on the Abes forum started saying this wasnt the case.

So, can you really freeze a track, then trigger and RECORD a new arrangement? If so, thats friggin AWESOME!!

[headquest]

I have a copy of eXT, but have not tried using it with Live. It may be a suitable workaround for this issue.

Yes, eXT is a good workaround for those who want device chains including VSTs until Ableton themselves implement the feature (it is on their list).

I have used eXT within Live, and it works well.

[headquest]

So you don't take advantage of the midi capabilities in Live huh...

Erm, yes

But to be honest, I don't work in Reason or Live's piano rolls except to tweak things, as I'm primarily a keyboard player and classically trained, so...

* I tend to do a lot of large scale "sequencing" in Sibelius notation software, then import the MIDI files from Sibelius into Reason or Live depending on the project
* For more off-the-hoof stuff I tend to use my Ozonic controller, which is a complete blast, and record sequences as I described before.

The main exception is drum and pattern sequencing, for which - like you - I MUCH prefer Live to Reason for sequencing

[headquest]

wow!! This is what I originally thought Live5 is capable of upon reading the new features. Then everyone on the Abes forum started saying this wasnt the case.

So, can you really freeze a track, then trigger and RECORD a new arrangement? If so, thats friggin AWESOME!!

As of the beta, there are still a few issues they are perfecting, but...

Yes, Yes, Yes

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[headquest]

For those who've not yet spotted, beta version 2 is now available for download from Ableton. Only open to the original 500 of us, I'm afriad, but they plan to open it out to others very soon

Amazing list of bugs squished over the last four days - these guys certainly don't hang around!!

[z15]

finally bought an own live 4 license... and a free 5 update eligibility to go with it. nice.

now i just wish they distributed some more version 5 public beta licenses so i could try out v5 at a gig we're having next week

[kuniklo]

I finally found and reported a bug so I can stop feeling guilty about hogging one of the 500 spots.

They really hit it out of the park this time. I've been hanging on to my copy of Cubase SX just in case but I'm thinking I can finally sell it now.

[z15]

i'm still keeping my logic 6... obviously haven't had a chance to try out live5 yet but i judging by the comments and hype i have a feeling they'll both be very very good for some, but not all, things i like to do.

[braj]

For those who've not yet spotted, beta version 2 is now available for download from Ableton. Only open to the original 500 of us, I'm afriad, but they plan to open it out to others very soon

Amazing list of bugs squished over the last four days - these guys certainly don't hang around!!

Any new features spotted?

[headquest]

I already abandoned my linear sequencer (Tracktion 2) because I was getting no joy with it. Each to their own, of course.

But I'll still be using Sibelius, Reason and Audition - perfect complements to Live 5's feature set.

I do think that Live 5 is very much a full-on DAW.