Sampletank 2.1

[kovacs]

does it support mouse scroll wheels?

Not public knowledge, but I assure you that mouse wheel support is a popular request.

Doesn't the mouse wheel work when you hover the mouse over the scrollbar? I seem to remember that...but I'm not on my music computer atm...

[munchkin]

However, in terms of attracting new users, I do think Sampletank is now up against some really stiff competition in the form of Kontakt 2. So 2.1 will have to be pretty special indeed

HUH These are two entirely different animals! Not to ruffle feathers here, but Kontakt is a real workhorse sampler, whereas Sampletank is more of a (proprietary format) sample player. They truly are apples and oranges!


Just keeping the fruit sorted

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Kontakt is also a sample player and has a bigger library of sounds than Sampletank. It can play all the libraries and synths released with a Kompakt player. So the two are competing in the sample player market.

I have both. The new version of Kontakt is phenominal. I like Sampletank a lot but the update will need to be very special to attract people away from other sample players like Kontakt.

[kovacs]

Plus Kontakt can be resold, which is a plus in my book.

[olepro]

If you get Sonik Capsule: Studio Drums then you can access the individual kit elements (kick, snare, hats, toms, and cymbals) as separate ST2 instruments. That way you can apply different ST2 effects (such as eq/compression) to different kit elements. You can also route the kit elements to their own output channels, so you can mix them like you would a recorded drum kit.

Yes i know, but that will not help on all the existing drumkits in sampletank2 and as i know we cant edit the patches(remove or add zones) yet.

Thats why i suggest these features

[The Beatsmith]

If you haven't already, I suggest you submit your suggestions to IK using this page:

http://www.sampletank.com/STSuggestion.html

But, I can't wait for the new soundset, i was disappointed with the sounds in 2.1. In fact to be honest, i am disappointed with the entire ST 2XL package - but 2.1 sounds like it's shaping up to be really good.

What kind of sounds are you interested in? Depending on what you want, Sonik Synth 2 might have a lot of what you're looking for.

-Kim.

Thanks, i didn't know about that, i posted a few suggestions i'd like, just now.

I'm interested in realisting, high quality real instrument sounds. I don't really think the sounds are consistent in quality in STXL 2.09 so i really look forward to the new sounds in 2.1

Thanks again

Eddie

[zai]

However, in terms of attracting new users, I do think Sampletank is now up against some really stiff competition in the form of Kontakt 2. So 2.1 will have to be pretty special indeed

HUH These are two entirely different animals! Not to ruffle feathers here, but Kontakt is a real workhorse sampler, whereas Sampletank is more of a (proprietary format) sample player. They truly are apples and oranges!


Just keeping the fruit sorted

.

Kontakt is also a sample player and has a bigger library of sounds than Sampletank. It can play all the libraries and synths released with a Kompakt player. So the two are competing in the sample player market.

I have both. The new version of Kontakt is phenominal. I like Sampletank a lot but the update will need to be very special to attract people away from other sample players like Kontakt.

Kontakt 2 uses a LOT of CPU resources...that's one reason why I don't use Kontakt anymore. Not saying that it's not good, but I need something that's light on CPU and easy to use.

I agree that the Kontakt engin is very powerful, but sometimes too powerful that I don't use most of the functions (for me anyway). I like ST2 because it's easy to use and the effects are nicely lay-out.

Bigger sample library doesn't mean that it's better...I'm looking forward to ST2.1, seems like a major upgrade.

Mouse scroll please....

Zai

[telebunke]

Bigger sample library doesn't mean that it's better...I'm looking forward to ST2.1, seems like a major upgrade.

That's right. MB doesn't tell veeery much about how good it actually sounds.
Kontakt has 1080 Instruments including loops, ST 2.0 has 1500 plus loops, let's see how much ST2.1 is gonna habve. Since it's gonna be 2.5 GB more it should be even more.

tele

[harmony gardens]

I agree that it does come down to the quality sounds, and there are, without a doubt, some sounds in Sampletank 2 XL that I don't use, because they don't have the quality that I'm looking for. That said,,, I have found many more high quality sounds in the set. I think the sounds in SS2 are more uniform than Sampletank. There is no question that Squids has enhanced Sampletank through the sounds he's made available for the format. I'm pretty sure that Squids' sound upgrade will blow us away, and it sounds like the upgrade features are going to please us. It sounds like this upgrade could have easily been a 3.0 upgrade. When you talk about quality samples, you can walk right up to Squids' door, he's got the goods.

[Meffy]

When you talk about quality samples, you can walk right up to Squids' door, he's got the goods.

That octopus next door has a groovy garden too. :-}

[geoffrey]

On Penny Lane across from Itchykoo Park

[munchkin]

I've got Squid's Tron sample package for ST2 and it's very good. I think ST has some excellent sounds available but ST would benefit from developing into a fully fledged sampler IMO.

ST is completing with a lot of other sample players. The reason I think Kontakt is direct competition is because NI have copied the capsule format that IK & SR have developed. And NI have licensed their player to other companies. This has resulted in some impressive 3rd party synths that will also load into Kontakt.

ST is an impressive product. I think it will benefit from further development along the lines of Kontakt and Halion. There is enough room, it seems at the moment, for a number of sample players to exist on the market but the competition is more advanced than it was when the ST concept was first launched and IK had a bit of a monopoly.

[martian]

I agree that the Kontakt engin is very powerful, but sometimes too powerful that I don't use most of the functions (for me anyway). I like ST2 because it's easy to use and the effects are nicely lay-out.

Bigger sample library doesn't mean that it's better...I'm looking forward to ST2.1, seems like a major upgrade.

Mouse scroll please....

Zai

i have sampletank2xl, and kontakt 2 has taken over for me, unfortunately bigger means better in this case, the sound library is excellent and much better than sampletank imo, not as diverse as sampletank but covers all the main bases, and amazing considering its primerily a sampler package.

I also hate the way in ST you have 50 guitars and many are the same samples but with different effects, in fact everything has millions of effects, id rather have less presets to choose from, and all uneffected, to leave it for me.

it was my disappointment in my sampletank 2xl purchase that made me decide to buy kontakt (mainly for it library, but also to upgrade sampling duties from halion) and havent used sampltank library once since kontakt.

and i cant resale apparently! anyway 2.1 will have to be good to get ST back on my harddrive. i hope it is, although i kinda have all i need now.

[riley4reason]

and i cant resale apparently! anyway 2.1 will have to be good to get ST back on my harddrive. i hope it is, although i kinda have all i need now.

IK told me that there is a $99.00 transfer fee.

Riley

[Rellik]

I'd have to agree that Kontakt is in direct competition with SampleTank - they're not the same type of product, but they truly are competing head to head for most people who are looking for a sampler/sampleset. That's the question - "Should I get Kontakt, or should I get SampleTank? Thanks". And the main factor that makes people buy Kontakt is, of course, the fact that Kontakt can load other sample formats. Because who really, willingly, wants to be a prisoner in IK/SR land?

I actually have found many of the ST2 sounds to be quite useful, contrary to what most people seem to say - they're all I use except for in orchestral, where I bring out the free SF2's. And of course the odd Ultimate Guitar Kit SF2 . But I'm looking forward to the 2.1 sounds update as well - looking forward to hearing about it, and if it isn't just fattened up with loops and synths and such, and actually has a multitude of new instruments and improvements on the old ones (that sitar has somebody talking in the background... and those buzzy noises in the basses aren't exactly helpful... mounds upon mounds of useless orchestral stuff... etc.), then I might buy it!

[nexussynth]

I love Kontakt but have not upgraded to K2 even though it is way powerful because of the CPU hit. As someone else said it has so much power but you don't want/need that all the time. I also am not impressed with convolution for reverb and so I would have no use for K2 at present.

Having said that, I think the K2 will mainly appeal to those wanting high quality orchestral sounds as it has the core instruments and sections from VSL. This greatly enhances the value of Kontakt but only if you need those. All the sounds are good quality there now (which was NOT the case when Kontakt came out!).

I bought ST2L. I did not go for the XL version as my primary interest (and quite a few others too I've learned) was the STRETCH engine and what it could do for my collection of vocal phrases and such. Of what was contained in the L version library I'd say it was a bummer pretty much with only a few sounds that were much better than my Edirol Hypercanvas.

I was incredibly frustrated and angry over the ST2 engine's stretching and ranted about it here.

Then I got into it and was able to produce a handful of quite useable phrases etc.

I am much more interested in the new engine update more than anything at this moment. I hope they have solved the graniness issue (probably so, as the Miroslav has such exquisite pristine samples it could not make much use of the STRETCH if was not greatly improved ).

As much as the companies don't like to admit it, they are ALL competing, Halion, Giga, Kontakt, MOTU and ST2. They all have strengths and weaknesses and gee, wouldn't it be great if we could just buy all of them?

But since most of us CAN'T, we have to examine just what we would use on day-by-day basis and maybe buy just two of them. I bought Kontakt primarily so I could modify and make new programs for my EWQLSO and GPO. I'm guessing the vast majority of Kontakt users bought it for similar reasons; there are so many terrific libraries for it's player versions.

I wonder how many people buy the stunted version called Kompakt?

One thing that nobody has mentioned here on this thread yet concerning ST2: Disk Streaming.

I wonder if it could be added to ST2?

Mentioning that also points out why top pros are more concerned with Gigastudio 3. Kontakt is not best at streaming and MOTU just got theirs going but it's just adequate I hear.

Frankly, I want the new Miroslav Philhamonik. That's the one thats got me excited. I plan on importing some of my orchestral samples etc into the new ST2 engine to use along with it.