Put your guitar sound here (many clips already)

[zeoy]

Motivated by the long threads about the new voxengo amp sim (Boogex) and other similar debates I thought this would be useful to clarify a few things:
We can post sort examples of what we consider a good electric guitar sound (I know there are great guitar players with great sound around, sorry no names). The clips must be produced by us and should not contain anything else but guitar. Heavy modulation effects should be better avoided (a touch of reverb is OK). One can use software ampsims, hardware units (POD, Vamp, Jstation, SansAMp etc.) or real amp recordings. A few comments for each clip are welcome but the actual setup used can be kept secret (for a while, not forever) by the poster in order to add some suspense.
I think this would be useful for both developers and endusers.

Discuss, submit , whatever ...



PS1 I suppose I should be the first to post something here but I am at work right now and I have nothing available. I promise I will post something
tommorow.

PS2 I know there is something similar by Midiworks but not exactly and there is no conflict of interrests here, honestly.

[zeoy]

So you think


a)this idea sucks
b)I am bored
c)don't want to share my secret weapons/techniques
d)why don't you put something first
e)I don't care
f) fish

in other words this is a bump

[championrabbit]

I think your idea would be good if this was the kind've forum used by large numbers of people with decent amps, mics and recording enviroments who knew how to mic and record a guitar amp effectively.

As it is I would suggest that most people here use amp-sims and thus the your results will prove pretty useless.

Still, the idea is a good one.

[championrabbit]

Also.

What guitarists consider to be a subjective 'good' guitar sound is often one that is unusable in the context of a mix. For example, guitarists who like a scooped sound. It took metal players the whole of the 80s and some of the 90s to work out that mid-rangey guitars sound 'heavier' than scooped guitars once they are accompanied by drums, bass and a singer...

[GaryG]

i dunno, some examples of what can be achieved with a few plugins could be interesting, especially as the most cited plugs seem to be the free ones (analogue suite, cortex, boogex...)

i guess i'd be interested in the extremes; decent, classic 'tones' (clean fender twin-ish, breaking up bluesy kinda stuff) and stuff that doesn't sound like guitar at all.

.g

[zeoy]

Also.

What guitarists consider to be a subjective 'good' guitar sound is often one that is unusable in the context of a mix. For example, guitarists who like a scooped sound. It took metal players the whole of the 80s and some of the 90s to work out that mid-rangey guitars sound 'heavier' than scooped guitars once they are accompanied by drums, bass and a singer...

I know what you mean here but the sound in the mix is 50% of the whole story. The other half is the satisfaction you get when you just play your rig (real or virtual) just on your own. Moreover when a guitarist goes to a studio with his guitar and amp to record he just plays his sound and the man behind the desk is using EQ, compression gate or whatever to make this sound fit into the mix. Of course there is the mic choise/placement just to make things more complicated.
I proposed "only guitar" clips because it's also easier to hear the actual amp (or virtual amp) sound.

[championrabbit]

Also.

What guitarists consider to be a subjective 'good' guitar sound is often one that is unusable in the context of a mix. For example, guitarists who like a scooped sound. It took metal players the whole of the 80s and some of the 90s to work out that mid-rangey guitars sound 'heavier' than scooped guitars once they are accompanied by drums, bass and a singer...

I know what you mean here but the sound in the mix is 50% of the whole story. The other half is the satisfaction you get when you just play your rig (real or virtual) just on your own. Moreover when a guitarist goes to a studio with his guitar and amp to record he just plays his sound and the man behind the desk is using EQ, compression gate or whatever to make this sound fit into the mix. Of course there is the mic choise/placement just to make things more complicated.
I proposed "only guitar" clips because it's also easier to hear the actual amp (or virtual amp) sound.

I understand; I always assume that amp-sims are used mostly for recording, but I guess you're probably right. Maybe people do use them mainly for jamming with.

[AndrewSimon]

Hey Zeoy

Does this mean you are thinking about building an amp sim?
If so just say YES and I will provide all my good sounds.

[zeoy]

No Andrew, I am not a dsp programmer and my C++ skills are in the "Hello World" level. I just wanted to hear what people think it's a good guitar sound, how they (we) achieve it and so on. I thought it would be useful to share opinions, techniques and to see the pros and the cons of various ampsims, hardware units or even real amps.
I hope that tomorrow I will post something based on an ampsim. It's not so easy for me to record my real amp but I 'll try it during the weekend (I hope).

[sangha]

I think it's a good idea. I'd like to hear what people think a good gtr sound is

[zeoy]

I think it's a good idea.

That's what I thought too

I'd like to hear what people think a good gtr sound is

Me too

decent, classic 'tones' (clean fender twin-ish, breaking up bluesy kinda stuff) ...

Maybe the hardest thing to imitate with software

...and stuff that doesn't sound like guitar at all.

It wasn't my main point but would be interresting for sure

...and I will provide all my good sounds

I checked a few tunes from your site and I like your sound

[Detritus]

I'll try to contribute something, but i have to carve out some time for that, which is not so easy atm..
I'll see what i can do..

[zeoy]

Thanx Detritus. If I remember correctly you a had a nice guitar sound in your first post here.
(Take your time. I 'll bump it from time to time anyway )

[gregman]

Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier through a Mesa/Boogie Rectifier cabiner with V30 Celestions mic'd with a Shure SM57. Gibson Explorer>Boss NS-2 noise gate>Boss (keeley modded) SD-1>

Just slapped this together quickly but gives a good idea of what I consider to be a good heavy metal sound. http://home.comcast.net/~grwy/28jun05idea.mp3

[Lunch Money]

Pretty good. Too many hornets for my normal taste, but definitely a good and usable tone. I'll post something up someday... someday...



Greg