Does any host have a usable Freeze?

[spaceman]

logic

logic 7's freeze passes all these requirements?

actually, I don't think so (need to check some things more indepth.. when I get home)

I think Sonar is probably the best option, I loved the freeze in Sonar and it does much (most) of what you asked for

I'll give you more details on Logic's freeze when I get home

[bduffy]

Cubase's Freeze is much better than before, I don't think it's that bad (at least we have it now!). But I think Samplitude has the best/most flexible freeze, no?

[Bonteburg]

I use Logic Express 6 and its freeze function is ajoke!
I never use it.
It automatically freezes over the whole song length,
it's just too long a proces in most cases, might as well bounce proper.

Marco

[superddman]

In sonar you would just select both tracks to make your edits on - or put them in a track folder and make the edits to that.

It is also better to use Bounce To Audio instead of freeze if you're going to be editing and unfreezing will obviously return it to the unfrozen state.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

interesting, so you can somehow select both the frozen part and midi part at the same time so that both are moved in relation to eachother?

i dont really understand the advantage of "bounce to track". maybe you can explain more.

[superddman]

Cubase's Freeze is much better than before, I don't think it's that bad (at least we have it now!). But I think Samplitude has the best/most flexible freeze, no?

yes, from what I have seen, samplitdue's freeze comes closest to meeting all these requirements but it still doesn't retain envelope automations when freezing and unfreezing.

[daverich]

bounce to track will bounce the audio to an audio file. This is subtly different from freeze as freeze as a temporary state. Bounced audio creates an audio file proper - you need then to mute the midi track.

Any edits you make are lost when a track is unfrozen. This way they are not.

Kind regards

dave Rich

[superddman]

bounce to track will bounce the audio to an audio file. This is subtly different from freeze as freeze as a temporary state. Bounced audio creates an audio file proper - you need then to mute the midi track.

Any edits you make are lost when a track is unfrozen. This way they are not.

Kind regards

dave Rich

Oh, you mean like editing the wave form. I would not expect any host to be able to change the MIDI part according to the edited wave form, that just does not seem feasible.

I would only want the automation envelopes (mainly volume) to be retained between the midi parts and frozen parts.

[daverich]

I would only want the automation envelopes (mainly volume) to be retained between the midi parts and frozen parts.

Ahh I see.

In sonar you would use clip automation anyway - but yeah using automation on a frozen track would then be lost when unfrozen. You would need bounce to audio.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

[superddman]

I would only want the automation envelopes (mainly volume) to be retained between the midi parts and frozen parts.

Ahh I see.

In sonar you would use clip automation anyway - but yeah using automation on a frozen track would then be lost when unfrozen. You would need bounce to audio.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

ok.

when you freeze a track in sonar, are all the FX inserts also frozen? And, does the freeze function only freeze the midi part, or the whole duration of the song? For example, lets say i got midi part from 15th sec to 25sec. When i freeze it, will it render a WAV from 0 sec to the end of the track?

[Jaeson Merrill]

samplitude's freeze is by far the best, perhaps except logic.

you can

freeze a track, bus, or aux channel (takes a few secs)

edit it,

unfreeze,

start over..

or, you can edit OBJECTs on the timeline and do the same stuff.

totally editable, you dont lose anything when you unfreeze, the freeze wave files save with the project in the newest version, you can automate over them, do whatever you want, they are treated as regular wave files.

also its pretty quick compared to steinbug.

[Jaeson Merrill]

I

What I mean by convenient is this:

- fast freezing time
- ability to automate envelopes on the frozen parts
- when you unfreeze a part that has automation, the automation envelope should remain the same for the midi part
- ability to move around frozen parts
- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part


Out of all the hosts I have tried, Samplitdue comes the closest to meeting all of these requirenments. However, it still does not retain automation envelopes when freezing and unfreezin.

everything fits samplitude except the last one and the automation thing. I will try those today in the latest samp and see if it works.

[superddman]

samplitude's freeze is by far the best, perhaps except logic.

you can

freeze a track, bus, or aux channel (takes a few secs)

edit it,

unfreeze,

start over..

or, you can edit OBJECTs on the timeline and do the same stuff.

totally editable, you dont lose anything when you unfreeze, the freeze wave files save with the project in the newest version, you can automate over them, do whatever you want, they are treated as regular wave files.

also its pretty quick compared to steinbug.

Ya, I totally agree. But there is one thing missing for me, that is, if you automate envelopes in frozen parts (here I mainly mean volume envelope), when you unfreeze it the volume envelope is gone.

[Jaeson Merrill]

...or if theres a workaround.

[superddman]

I

What I mean by convenient is this:

- fast freezing time
- ability to automate envelopes on the frozen parts
- when you unfreeze a part that has automation, the automation envelope should remain the same for the midi part
- ability to move around frozen parts
- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part


Out of all the hosts I have tried, Samplitdue comes the closest to meeting all of these requirenments. However, it still does not retain automation envelopes when freezing and unfreezin.

everything fits samplitude except the last one and the automation thing. I will try those today in the latest samp and see if it works.

Actually the last requirement is there too hehe.
The only one missing is retainable envelopes

[maoinhibitor]

I think Sonar 4 has the freeze you are looking for:

- fast freezing time

That is dependent on your processor, sonar does it fast enough for me.

- ability to automate envelopes on the frozen parts

Yes, you can do that.

- when you unfreeze a part that has automation, the automation envelope should remain the same for the midi part

Yes, you can do that

- ability to move around frozen parts

Yes, Sonar allows that, you can even turn the frozen part into an acid loop

- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part

Well, you got me there, I just tried it and the MIDI track didn't move