Does any host have a usable Freeze?

[daverich]

when you freeze a track in sonar, are all the FX inserts also frozen? And, does the freeze function only freeze the midi part, or the whole duration of the song? For example, lets say i got midi part from 15th sec to 25sec. When i freeze it, will it render a WAV from 0 sec to the end of the track?

It just freezes the bits where audio is coming through. It uses an intelligent user definable gate to process this.

You can also decide yourself whether it freezes sends/inserts etc using the freeze options.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

[superddman]

I think Sonar 4 has the freeze you are looking for:

- fast freezing time

That is dependent on your processor, sonar does it fast enough for me.

- ability to automate envelopes on the frozen parts

Yes, you can do that.

- when you unfreeze a part that has automation, the automation envelope should remain the same for the midi part

Yes, you can do that

- ability to move around frozen parts

Yes, Sonar allows that, you can even turn the frozen part into an acid loop

- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part

Well, you got me there, I just tried it and the MIDI track didn't move

hehe

I just talked with a buddy and he said the last part is possible when you use folders. Just put both the midi and frozen part inside of a folder, and them just move the folder area around. So this could work.
However, he told me that when you freeze a midi part, a WAV is rendered from 0 sec to the end if you have any sort of automation envelope on the track.

So now, if you put both the midi part and this huge frozen part (that has lots of rendered silence, don't know for what reason!!) into a folder, then the that previous "Folder Idea" becomes useless because the folder area becomes huge, not truly representing the length of the midi/frozen parts inside.

The question now arises, why on earth sonar renders silence when freezing tracks? hehe

[superddman]

when you freeze a track in sonar, are all the FX inserts also frozen? And, does the freeze function only freeze the midi part, or the whole duration of the song? For example, lets say i got midi part from 15th sec to 25sec. When i freeze it, will it render a WAV from 0 sec to the end of the track?

It just freezes the bits where audio is coming through. It uses an intelligent user definable gate to process this.

You can also decide yourself whether it freezes sends/inserts etc using the freeze options.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

hmm, are you sure about that? read my previous comment

[Jaeson Merrill]

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What I mean by convenient is this:

- fast freezing time
- ability to automate envelopes on the frozen parts
- when you unfreeze a part that has automation, the automation envelope should remain the same for the midi part
- ability to move around frozen parts
- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part


Out of all the hosts I have tried, Samplitdue comes the closest to meeting all of these requirenments. However, it still does not retain automation envelopes when freezing and unfreezin.

everything fits samplitude except the last one and the automation thing. I will try those today in the latest samp and see if it works.

Actually the last requirement is there too hehe.
The only one missing is retainable envelopes

well then you just taught me somethign about the host ive been using for 2 years!

hehe..

then again, i use MIDI in FLstudio 5

[headquest]

The Freeze feature in Ableton Live 5 is pretty damn cool, and Ableton have already talked about their plans for taking the concept even further in the next version.

Being able to launch frozen clips and rearrange them in your recording is very flexible.

[Kim Olesen]

I use Logic Express 6 and its freeze function is ajoke!
I never use it.
It automatically freezes over the whole song length,
it's just too long a proces in most cases, might as well bounce proper.

Marco

Not true. There is a key command that lets you kill feeze at any point. And up until the "kill point" the freeze file is fully functional.
Kim

[superddman]

The Freeze feature in Ableton Live 5 is pretty damn cool, and Ableton have already talked about their plans for taking the concept even further in the next version.

Being able to launch frozen clips and rearrange them in your recording is very flexible.

I read on ableton forums that once you freeze a track, it is completely locked. You can't edit envelopes or move the frozen part around. I think as of now, it is very limited. Maybe future versions will have it.

[daverich]

when you freeze a track in sonar, are all the FX inserts also frozen? And, does the freeze function only freeze the midi part, or the whole duration of the song? For example, lets say i got midi part from 15th sec to 25sec. When i freeze it, will it render a WAV from 0 sec to the end of the track?

It just freezes the bits where audio is coming through. It uses an intelligent user definable gate to process this.

You can also decide yourself whether it freezes sends/inserts etc using the freeze options.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

hmm, are you sure about that? read my previous comment

Yup I'm sure. I use it most days

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

[spaceman]

- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part

Well, you got me there, I just tried it and the MIDI track didn't move

wasn't that added to the last Sonar update?
I might be wrong though

[superddman]

- when you move a frozen part and then unfreeze it, the midi part should move to the same position as the frozen part

Well, you got me there, I just tried it and the MIDI track didn't move

wasn't that added to the last Sonar update?
I might be wrong though

I don't think so

[Sascha Franck]

What we need is the following:
- Faster freeze. As Jonny X allready said, offline bouncing and reimporting usually is way faster, at least in Cubase SX2/3. That must be a joke...
- More options, such as instrument only, instrument plus x number of inserts, etc.
- An option to only "freeze in place". Say I'd just have 4 bars of some instrument playing, why in the world would I have to freeze all over the song length? As soon as I'd plan to record on that track again, the program should automatically ask whether I'd like to unfreeze the track (or all parts on it for the matter).
- "Workable" freeze files. This actually is the most important part. Of course, when I cut a sustained note it will end in the middle of it, but I can live with it during the working stage. When done there should be some automatic "refreeze" command. Besides, on many parts you'd only cut at points where nothing was overlapping anyways.
Heck, in SX you can't even mute or solo a frozen track in the project page (neither a part nor a track in inspector) but need to open the mixer - HOW lame is that? Freaking idiots!

Let's face it, freezing might be good for mixing, while working it just sucks, nothing else. At least in SX.

[headquest]

I read on ableton forums that once you freeze a track, it is completely locked. You can't edit envelopes or move the frozen part around. I think as of now, it is very limited. Maybe future versions will have it.

I think that either you - or the tester who posted that - had the "wrong end of the stick". I thought myself this was the case on the first attempt using it, but in fact you can move stuff around.

In fact, from the Session view you can completely re-record the arrangement using frozen clips, and automating to your hearts content

[hitman8081]

speaking of freezing when is fl studio getting a freeze? theyve added everything else why not freeze?

[pannewb]

in eXT, the automation of inserts on frozen tracks can be messed with because the envelope is actually a second track.

it is pretty quick, too.

it doesn't do any of the other stuff, though.

[Jaeson Merrill]

The Freeze feature in Ableton Live 5 is pretty damn cool, and Ableton have already talked about their plans for taking the concept even further in the next version.

Being able to launch frozen clips and rearrange them in your recording is very flexible.

samplitude does the same thing for 2 versionz