Does any host have a usable Freeze?

[Jaeson Merrill]

in eXT, the automation of inserts on frozen tracks can be messed with because the envelope is actually a second track.

it is pretty quick, too.

it doesn't do any of the other stuff, though.

if there were freeze for FL studio it would be the same thing, cause envelopes are seperate...

[René]

The question now arises, why on earth sonar renders silence when freezing tracks? hehe

Because "Silence is as important as Sound"

Seriously now, it doesn't. Sonar has a user-adjustable gate, which will allow you to specify all standard gate parameters (Open level, Close level, Attack, Hold and Release times, and the lookahead time), so you can decide 'what is silence'.

When you use a reverb in an insert, you might have a tail which lasts several hours, therefore that's not silence. However, you won't hear it anymore after 1 second. That's when the gate enters in action: you say "I think that below -80dB, it's silence for me.", and that part isn't converted.

Sonar will also allow to create different clips, if they're linked by silence. It will let you do the other stuff you asked for, except for the MIDI Clip linking.

Regarding this one, I would be pretty pissed if it'd link the MIDI Clips to the frozen audio clips. While I see the point you're after, it would "affect adversely my creative workflow in a sensitive way that would mute my inspiration for decades".

Ok, perhaps not that much. But it would be really annoying. Of course, there could be an option. After all, we already have 2938472938472938472938 options, one more won't hurt.


-René

[headquest]

speaking of freezing when is fl studio getting a freeze? theyve added everything else why not freeze?

So far as I understand, it isn't... I think JMC explained a while ago that it can't be worked into the FL environment (he gave a complex explanation that I didn't understand )

[headquest]

The Freeze feature in Ableton Live 5 is pretty damn cool, and Ableton have already talked about their plans for taking the concept even further in the next version.

Being able to launch frozen clips and rearrange them in your recording is very flexible.

samplitude does the same thing for 2 versionz

Samplitude looks pretty cool, indeed. But it also looks like a rather complex beast... and of course it costs around three times the price of Ableton Live (here in the UK)

Also I get the impression that Samplitude is more of a production environment, rather than being especially suited to live music making, yes?

[Jaeson Merrill]

definetly true.

[Jaeson Merrill]

speaking of freezing when is fl studio getting a freeze? theyve added everything else why not freeze?

So far as I understand, it isn't... I think JMC explained a while ago that it can't be worked into the FL environment (he gave a complex explanation that I didn't understand )

whatever he said, its BS.. it can be done easily. All the functionality is already there.

[superddman]

Wow, I missed alot of good comments. Thanks guys.

First of all, sorry for my incorrect statement about Sonar's freeze. It sounds like the gate setting is the answer in this case. I just heard that when you have automation envelope on a track, the freeze will render everything from start of the project until the end.

Also, I think that linked MIDI parts with Frozen parts is a logical way of working with them. For instance, lets say I freeze a midi bassline pattern that goes from 25 sec to 45 sec. Now, I decide that the bassline should start at 30th second, so I move the frozen part to 30th second. Then I decide that I need to make some MIDI adjustements with the bassline, so I unfreeze it. Now what happens is that the midi part goes back to 25second, not the updated location. Then I have to move parts again which creates unnecessary mouse clicks and confusion (as you may have noticed, I am lazy clicker hehe)

Doesn't anybody else think that this will make things better?

I think that we can conclude that there is a huge room for improvement among many hosts' freeze features.

We should form the "Freeze Standards Organization" which approves freeze in all hosts

[falconi]

Or in Sonar freeze, make your edits then clone track before you unfreeze.

That way you can keep your changes you have made when editing frozen data.

[superddman]

Or in Sonar freeze, make your edits then clone track before you unfreeze.

That way you can keep your changes you have made when editing frozen data.

ya, but the only things I plan on doing with the frozen parts is moving them and changing the volume envelopes, nothing else.

[audiojunkie]

speaking of freezing when is fl studio getting a freeze? theyve added everything else why not freeze?

So far as I understand, it isn't... I think JMC explained a while ago that it can't be worked into the FL environment (he gave a complex explanation that I didn't understand )

whatever he said, its BS.. it can be done easily. All the functionality is already there.

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Not only that, but Gol said it would probably be done in a future release.

[superddman]

What we need is the following:
- Faster freeze. As Jonny X allready said, offline bouncing and reimporting usually is way faster, at least in Cubase SX2/3. That must be a joke...
- More options, such as instrument only, instrument plus x number of inserts, etc.
- An option to only "freeze in place". Say I'd just have 4 bars of some instrument playing, why in the world would I have to freeze all over the song length? As soon as I'd plan to record on that track again, the program should automatically ask whether I'd like to unfreeze the track (or all parts on it for the matter).
- "Workable" freeze files. This actually is the most important part. Of course, when I cut a sustained note it will end in the middle of it, but I can live with it during the working stage. When done there should be some automatic "refreeze" command. Besides, on many parts you'd only cut at points where nothing was overlapping anyways.
Heck, in SX you can't even mute or solo a frozen track in the project page (neither a part nor a track in inspector) but need to open the mixer - HOW lame is that? Freaking idiots!

Let's face it, freezing might be good for mixing, while working it just sucks, nothing else. At least in SX.

Sorry, didn't notice this post. Ya, these features would make it much easier. Will see if some company listens to us. Cakewalk for the most part has accomplished this, but would be nice if they streamlined some things.

[BONES]

I don't need no stinkin' freeeeeeeze! I work within the limits of my environment. In fact I could probably get away with half the CPU power I have at my disposal so I am constantly amazed at how important this seems to so many. I just can't imagine what it would take to overload my CPU.

[Spyro]

I'd like to have a function that freezes the portion on the timeline you select...just like highlighting some area on the timeline and bouncing to audio.

No idea why you need to be forced to use a "gate" or to render the whole song time.

Bounced clips with imbedded MIDI and VST automation data, is that hard to do it? After all one wants to freeze only those instruments or FX taking most of your CPU on a certain passage on your project.

[D-Fusion]

in eXT, the automation of inserts on frozen tracks can be messed with because the envelope is actually a second track.

it is pretty quick, too.

it doesn't do any of the other stuff, though.

Yep but you can also draw automation within the midi track
There is two ways to automate in XT, no wait there´s three ways (the arpeggiator also has automation function)

[Sascha Franck]

Did anybody try the freeze function of Live 5 yet? I've just been reading about it in the german "Keyboards" mag and it looks kinda promising (such as that you can still keep working with your frozen clips more or less freely).