Regards,
JMH
the analog warmth myth
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
sorry, i dont have the money to waste on analog gear, and its the purists that are always bitching about itjmh wrote:Isn't the burden of proof on the other side in this case?Jaeson Merrill wrote:actually, i think it would be nice if all of these audiophiles would put there money where their mouths are and post up some hiqual mp3 or 16/44 wav examples of before and after sounds...
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"audiophile" JMH
(except for mark77 that is)-
- KVRAF
- 8708 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
OK...bugger common sense, then.
If you want a warm sound, just squirt half a can of accelerant into the CD tray, light it and press play. You'll never know if it was digital or analogue in origin...
If you want a warm sound, just squirt half a can of accelerant into the CD tray, light it and press play. You'll never know if it was digital or analogue in origin...
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
try me.bmanic wrote:
How do you show the blind the difference of blue and red? This is very much the case at KvR.
- bManic
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
is it a matter of faith then???Meffy wrote:Good point. Ears have to want to hear, or they won't. Then again, sometimes wanting too much to hear something will make you think you hear what's not there. For sure it's a vicious high-order polygon.
(oops, there goes my resolution not to say more
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
agreed. just go to gearslutzChase wrote:Exactly. I swear that most people defending their hardware are only doing it because they wasted so much money for it.insaneacyde wrote:ha,ha,ha and anyone who complains about this thread prolly just spent all there money on another OVERPICED, USELESS doodad and will now spend hours tryin to argue some use for it.
"real tube warmth" from your brain meltdown
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
THE ANALOG WARMTH MYTH
Revised Half-wave Rectified Version
Selected portions
1 In the beginning was cold and void and emptiness and silence. For lo: there was no music, and you could sleep late if you wanted to.
2 And the Big Guy* did look upon the emptiness and sigh heavily. Except his sigh didn't make a sound.
3 Therefore did he say "O! That I could sigh." Or tried to, because there was no sound. Besides, there was nobody there to hear him, nor the tree which falls in the forest.
4 So the Big Guy was sore wroth in his wrath, and did fume. Silently.
5 In the fullness of time there came unto the Big Guy a Word.
6 And the Word was warm, and the Word was analog, and the Word was good. For it was three words in one.
7 And lo!
8 I don't have a joke, I just like typing "lo."
[...]
22 And the first theremin and the first modular were called "classics," and the people did clamor for them.
23 There then came unto the Big Guy's people strangers, the cold Digitim, who did speak of discontinuity and numeric approximation, and discord came upon them all.
24 And the Analogim and the Digitim did squabble. Oy veh, did they squabble! Verily.
25 Such was the heat from their squabbulation that all was obscured by it. And the circuits did melt, and the software did crash.
26 But it was warm!
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* that would be Robert Moog, according to most authorities
Revised Half-wave Rectified Version
Selected portions
1 In the beginning was cold and void and emptiness and silence. For lo: there was no music, and you could sleep late if you wanted to.
2 And the Big Guy* did look upon the emptiness and sigh heavily. Except his sigh didn't make a sound.
3 Therefore did he say "O! That I could sigh." Or tried to, because there was no sound. Besides, there was nobody there to hear him, nor the tree which falls in the forest.
4 So the Big Guy was sore wroth in his wrath, and did fume. Silently.
5 In the fullness of time there came unto the Big Guy a Word.
6 And the Word was warm, and the Word was analog, and the Word was good. For it was three words in one.
7 And lo!
8 I don't have a joke, I just like typing "lo."
[...]
22 And the first theremin and the first modular were called "classics," and the people did clamor for them.
23 There then came unto the Big Guy's people strangers, the cold Digitim, who did speak of discontinuity and numeric approximation, and discord came upon them all.
24 And the Analogim and the Digitim did squabble. Oy veh, did they squabble! Verily.
25 Such was the heat from their squabbulation that all was obscured by it. And the circuits did melt, and the software did crash.
26 But it was warm!
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* that would be Robert Moog, according to most authorities
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
lol.
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Joxer the Mighty Joxer the Mighty https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4414
- KVRist
- 282 posts since 1 Nov, 2002
Amen, Kritikon!
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Joxer the Mighty Joxer the Mighty https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4414
- KVRist
- 282 posts since 1 Nov, 2002
LOL
And speaking of the big guy. Word has it he's suffering from a brain tumor. And that's no joke.
And speaking of the big guy. Word has it he's suffering from a brain tumor. And that's no joke.
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- KVRist
- 71 posts since 26 Feb, 2005
The goal
1. Write a great song
2. Do everything in your power to make that song sound the best it can, cause everything you do for that song will leave an impression on the listener, whether the listener realizes it or not. If you leave that reverb out of the guitar, or do without a warming effect on the vocals, it will leave the listener with an impression or perception of the song, different than if it was there. Everything done to or for a song counts toward the end result. After all, you're trying to present a "feel" to your music. Basically, a great song plus the sum of all parts = the track.
I can hear the difference between analog emulation and lack-of-analog-plugin use. Have you heard the Naked Eyes self-titled release on cassette? Yeah, the high freq isn't as present as in CD, but the "punch" from tape!... man I love it. I'd like to get as close to that as possible.
1. Write a great song
2. Do everything in your power to make that song sound the best it can, cause everything you do for that song will leave an impression on the listener, whether the listener realizes it or not. If you leave that reverb out of the guitar, or do without a warming effect on the vocals, it will leave the listener with an impression or perception of the song, different than if it was there. Everything done to or for a song counts toward the end result. After all, you're trying to present a "feel" to your music. Basically, a great song plus the sum of all parts = the track.
I can hear the difference between analog emulation and lack-of-analog-plugin use. Have you heard the Naked Eyes self-titled release on cassette? Yeah, the high freq isn't as present as in CD, but the "punch" from tape!... man I love it. I'd like to get as close to that as possible.
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
Winking smiley or no winking smiley, either you're missing the point or don't even understand the basics of argumentation.Jaeson Merrill wrote:sorry, i dont have the money to waste on analog gear, and its the purists that are always bitching about itjmh wrote:Isn't the burden of proof on the other side in this case?Jaeson Merrill wrote:actually, i think it would be nice if all of these audiophiles would put there money where their mouths are and post up some hiqual mp3 or 16/44 wav examples of before and after sounds...
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"audiophile" JMH
And with your attitude, it must go to waste to point out that nobody's asking you to prove anything.
Except a tad more intelligence perhaps
Regards,
JMH
* edited a typo *
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
Another one missing to point, or incapable of understanding the difference between what's being discussed and what you're talking about?netsound wrote:Instead of looking for that perfect warm sound, Why not focus on composition. You can have all the warmth, but without depth...
It's not that hard, just give it another try
JMH
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