any sonar manual for someone's who's not a pirate?

[Jaeson Merrill]

i use it in samplitude, works great.

[origami]

sorry, what do you use in samplitude, FL or Sonar?

[Jaeson Merrill]

hehe.. FL.. there by having no relevance to your thread. sorry.

[Stupid American Pig]

I don't think you could do better than Sonar Power by Scott Garrigus.

...well, that is a shame.

As a potential customer, if you want a little insight into Sonar's capability or specifics on using the demo, then Scott's book is OK. However, all the book does is paraphrase cakewalks manual; it is very superficial and does not add any value of its own.

I am one of the fools who bought Sonar, then bought Scotts book. I was expecting enlightenment and insightful tutorials; what I got was a Parrot.

Do you want someone to write yer music for you to?

Sonar and every other multitracker work pretty much the same.

ok, j/k about the first comment. What is it in sonar that is not explained well enough for you. mebbe I can take a stab at explaining it.

[pummel]

Hey flugel45,

Were my statements really that vague?

Quote:
I don't think you could do better than Sonar Power by Scott Garrigus.


...well, that is a shame.

Its a shame that 'Sonar Power' is the best there is; thats all I meant.

I am one of the fools who bought Sonar, then bought Scotts book.

Difficult to understand? Here, let me clarify...

I am one of the fools who, having bought Sonar with its 700+ page included manual, went on to buy Scott's book expecting further enlightenment.

Sonar Power is OK; Its just redundant.

[flugel45]

Hey flugel45,

Were my statements really that vague?

...

Uh, actually they were. But thanks for the clarification.

I still disagree with your assessment of the book, but oh well...

If you're looking for something offering more advanced techniques, maybe Craig Anderton's Mixing and Mastering in Sonar, or the Sonar CSI Master video tutorial would be more to your taste.

JD

[falconi]

I would advise against Sonar 4 Power even though I own it.

You wanna try Sonar 4 Ignite. Its got step by step coverage and illustrations
on every page covering all the features you will need to know.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 45-0577205

Really is a great idiots type guide

[falconi]

If you are thinking of getting Sonar, Turnkey are doing a deal offering an

Edirol PCR1 & Sonar 3 Studio Bundle for £99.

That way you will have a little keyboard with sound card built in
and you can upgrade to Sonar 4 Studio for £70 or Producer for £150.

So you are looking at Sonar 4 Producer for £250 including a 24 bit
Audio Interface thrown in.

[Wopelka]

any of you use FL as a plugin inside Sonar? I've read positive opinions about that combination...

me me me! actually, that's my usual combination.

works great and allows you to get the best of each host.

[origami]

Wopelka, what do you basically use each host for? My intention was to build the song in FL and sequence my hard synth and record voice and audio in Sonar. And I was considering Sonar Studio since it's quite cheaper. opinion?

[Wopelka]

Wopelka, what do you basically use each host for? My intention was to build the song in FL and sequence my hard synth and record voice and audio in Sonar. And I was considering Sonar Studio since it's quite cheaper. opinion?

Basically, FLS for all the main mouse-programming (piano-roll, patterns, play list works great for me) and Sonar for midi and audio recording + editing. Although i bought the Producer Edition, the Studio Edition covers all the basics you may want. Better judge by yourself: here are what you'd miss with the SE:

Producer Edition exclusives

Multi-format surround mixing and editing with over 30 configurations supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS, etc.).

Intuitive surround panner: focus, width, angle, front/rear balance controls, LFE send; speaker muting & soloing; control surface/joystick support.

Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb—get the pristine sound of classic Lexicon Reverbs—for the first time ever in multi-channel environments up to 5.1. Stereo version of Lexicon Pantheon also included.

Sonitus Surround Compressor—a professional, nine-channel compressor specifically designed for surround applications.

SurroundBridge™—use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments. Patches and links plug-ins across all channels on a surround bus allowing for control from a single UI. Unlink for different settings on different channels.

Sonitus:fx Suite—critically acclaimed automatable effects: Compressor, Delay, Gate, Modulator, Multiband Compressor, Parametric EQ, Phase, Reverb, Surround, Wah wah.

Video Thumbnail track—makes scoring to video even easier, perfectly align audio with on-screen action, auto-snap to frame, more.

POW-r Dithering—unique, patent pending algorithms for converting 20, 24, and 32 bit audio to CD standard 16-bit format, while retaining dynamic efficiency and very low noise, optimized for use with all sample rates.

Prosoniq MPEX time scaling—great for matching audio to video or for loop/sample authoring.

Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ and assignable FX controls—access effect and EQ setting directly from the Console view without opening plug-in windows.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/producer.asp

[origami]

thanks Wopelka. I think I'll go for the studio edition, I can't spend so much money now after I bought my hardware synth.

btw, do you happen to know if there are any problems with Reaktor in Sonar? I've read many people saying there are problems, and as a reaktor user that worries me...

[Wopelka]

i have "only" Reaktor Session 4, which is an excellent plugin (although very CPU hungry). The only problem i had (but i don't make very "push-forwarded" use of my plugins, so maybe i haven't experienced every possible issues) was a window drawing problem. But since the last update patches of both Sonar and Reaktor Session, it doesn't occur anymore. Besides, if there's a problem with a plugin in one host, you can always use it in the other one. It's just a simple workaround, but it works most of the times, if not always.

[origami]

thanks. I also own "only" Reaktor session haha. I'm almost determined to buy Sonar Studio. one last question and I leave you alone, I promise...

I've never used FL as a vst. Can you, say, open only FL, work with a song and then open that same .flp in sonar? I mean, you can open FL within sonar and then open whatever FL project you like I guess? and likewise, can you make changes in that FL project inside sonar and then open that fl project alone without sonar? and does cpu usage increase a lot? I guess it must increase when you use both together, but is it really extreme?

sorry for those questions, they will be the last I promise...

[Wopelka]

You guessed right. You can open any .flp in a FLS used as a plugin. In that case, Sonar is the master and then, the BPM will be Sonar's. Which is very cool, for i haven't found out whether it is possible to change several times the BPM within a FL project, while it is an easy task for Sonar.

If you create a song directly in FLS as a plugin, you can save it as a .flp and open it in FLS stand-alone for further tweakings (and then save it again and re-open it in your FLS-plugin). This is a mere possibility, not a necessity (as it is with Rewired slave): when you save your Sonar project, the current FLS project is included in.

As for the cpu usage, it should be very light. Actually, i don't really see the difference with my P4; 2,26 Ghz; 756Mb computer.

You're welcome. Don't hesitate to ask me, should you have any other questions.