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o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:51 am

CC4 wrote:having an 5 GB MP3 player, extremely descriptive styles just makes putting songs into the player more cumbersome when using database services. for example, the last white stripes album came up as lo-fi/grunge while nirvana came up as general alternative. if i left the genres alone, the only thing i would have had in the lo-fi/grunge category would have been the white stripes. i find that i have to go through and change genres for most everything.

Yeah, before I figured out how to edit mp3 tags, every mp3 I made was Blues.

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:52 am

Chase wrote:
o'malley wrote:
Chase wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:
Chase wrote:I think "Drum & Bass" is one of the silliest yet most descriptive labels
Of course what makes it even more confusing is that originally it was labeled Jungle. That term is probably still in use or used to describe some other minutely differentiated style of D&B . . . but then of course there was a time when all electronic dance was just labeled Techno. Now you'll have huge arguments over the definition of Techno.
Yea today DnB tends to be thrown at the darker & Harder stuff while more jazzy ambient stuff goes under Jungle

Yeah, then people add the word 'step' to everything to make new genres: tech step, 2 step, jazz step, etc step... People do the same thing with the word 'core' too: hardcore, breakcore, darkcore, etc-core...

you forgot "darkstep"
There are about 20 "cores" that fit under emo. NONE of it deserves the names either

"Sadcore" has got to be one of the worst genre names I've heard in a while...

I remember someone once asked me if I liked hardcore, and I said yes and put on a D.O.A. CD (I think it was Something Better Change). Then they looked at me real funny and said something to the effect of "Dude, that's not hardcore! That's just guitars and stuff!".

Always confusing when people name a genre something that's already in common useage for another genre...

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:59 am

Chase wrote:CHASECORE

vurtcore
xoxostep
BONESCORE

...

Now this is how we should lable music! Take the artist or band name and stick the word step, bient or core on the end of it.

Beatlestep
Hendrixcore
Crosby, Stills, Nash, And Youngcore
NINbient
Doorstep
Weezercore
Herbie Hancockbient
Count Bassie Big Bandbient
...

emdot_ambient · Post by **emdot_ambient** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:05 am

Lawnmower Of The Damned wrote:Imagine going into a record store where there were no genres and just looking around to see what looked interesting...

That, my friend, is exactly how I found out about: Jean Michel Jarre, Sensations Fix, Tim Blake, Tonto's Expanding Head Band, Klaus Schulze, Popul Vuh, Ash Ra Temple, Kraftwerk, Jade Warrior, Morton Subotnick and a host of other artists "back in the day." Most record stores back then had: Rock, Jazz, Classical . . . and MAYBE a R&B/Soul section. That was IT. New Age? That was an album title from Ash Ra Temple (New Age of Earth, actually). Techno? What's that? Reggae? That's in Rock. Oh, wait, there was one other section that I lived in: Imports. Yup, imports. You rarely see that today. Imports were my life and breath. If the store was good, they'd have a long section that went from A - Z and you'd just flip through looking for "what looked interesting." LPs were bigger in size, so more information was available on the back cover: song titles, track time, musicians, producers, insturments and maybe some information and acknowledgements. No internet meant no ready information and you'd have to come up with your own formula for taking a chance on something new. Mine went like this: the fewer songs (i.e., the longer the songs), the fewer musicians (with one artist being the optimum), the more synthesizers . . . and the cooler the album cover, the more likely I'd buy it. Sometimes I'd even buy straight out of an import catalog based only on a one paragraph description. And I bought . . . a LOT.

Lawnmower Of The Damned wrote:The existing sets of broad genres work pretty well so long as you don't mind that many bands really overlap genres.

That's what makes it really tough. Look at some of Eno's albums. Another Green World? Is that Rock or Ambient . . . or what? Frankly, what I really tire of more than all the damned genres out there are CDs/artists that stay strictly within a given genre. A CD should not simply be a collection of songs all in the same genre--which usually tranlates as tempo, instrument choice, mood and character. I mean, a compilation of Goa Trance is fine to listen to every now and then but I'd much rather hear an Eno CD that works as an artistic statement as a whole, even if there is no overt theme. Listen to Another Green World or Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy . . . the songs are great and they vary wildly in style, but they all fit together as one overall work that is somehow beyond the sum of their tracks.

Gestalt, baby, that's where it's at.

P.S. Drum-N-Darkstepcorebient totally rocks!

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:12 am

I think I'll call my music OpenStep.
Not as hot as Meffy's reactorcore, though.

Groet, Erik

luCiPHer · Post by **luCiPHer** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:28 am

stepcore is MY genre, well, 4 years ago or so, thought about it as a great joke then

these days i usually label my own stuff trip hop, but for me trip hop includes a LOT of things, typical bristol stuff, jungle, illbient, acid jazz, lots of downtempo ... ah well, you see, it's easier to use that BIG trip hop label, or the big downtempo label, or whatever...

let's not forget: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

love that site, in a "do everything but do NOT take it seriously" way

downtempo isn't dance music...

yeah right

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:49 am

Voidoid Surrealist wrote:
Chase wrote:
o'malley wrote:
Chase wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:
Chase wrote:I think "Drum & Bass" is one of the silliest yet most descriptive labels
Of course what makes it even more confusing is that originally it was labeled Jungle. That term is probably still in use or used to describe some other minutely differentiated style of D&B . . . but then of course there was a time when all electronic dance was just labeled Techno. Now you'll have huge arguments over the definition of Techno.
Yea today DnB tends to be thrown at the darker & Harder stuff while more jazzy ambient stuff goes under Jungle

Yeah, then people add the word 'step' to everything to make new genres: tech step, 2 step, jazz step, etc step... People do the same thing with the word 'core' too: hardcore, breakcore, darkcore, etc-core...

you forgot "darkstep"
There are about 20 "cores" that fit under emo. NONE of it deserves the names either

"Sadcore" has got to be one of the worst genre names I've heard in a while...

I remember someone once asked me if I liked hardcore, and I said yes and put on a D.O.A. CD (I think it was Something Better Change). Then they looked at me real funny and said something to the effect of "Dude, that's not hardcore! That's just guitars and stuff!".

Always confusing when people name a genre something that's already in common useage for another genre...

Yea there are like 10 genres that share the name "hardcore" lol

When I first came to public school everyone talked about hardcore (the emo kind) and I thought they were talkign about H2BH

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:13 am

Crunkstep

luCiPHer · Post by **luCiPHer** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:19 am

is it still crunk, or is it curnk already?

emdot_ambient · Post by **emdot_ambient** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:33 am

luCiPHer wrote:is it still crunk, or is it curnk already?

Curnk? I thought we were up to Knurc?

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:33 am

Chase wrote: Yea there are like 10 genres that share the name "hardcore" lol

When I first came to public school everyone talked about hardcore (the emo kind) and I thought they were talkign about H2BH

Not only is there "emocore" and "sadcore" but there's even "slowcore"! Give me a f**king break.

And there's even more confusion when people hear me talking about "Garage" and then are dissapointed to find out that I'm not really cool and was just talking about bands like The Benders

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:40 am

Haha. Yes, the whole electronic music scene has gone a little overboard, but I think that's just people's attempt to separate themselves from the mainstream and create their own identities. It seems people put a little too much stock into this whole labeling thing.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:41 am

Voidoid Surrealist wrote:
Chase wrote: Yea there are like 10 genres that share the name "hardcore" lol

When I first came to public school everyone talked about hardcore (the emo kind) and I thought they were talkign about H2BH
Not only is there "emocore" and "sadcore" but there's even "slowcore"! Give me a f**king break.

And there's even more confusion when people hear me talking about "Garage" and then are dissapointed to find out that I'm not really cool and was just talking about bands like The Benders

I still think "Gaycore" is worse.

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:44 am

I even heard someone on the radio describe a band as being "meatcore"

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:48 am

Voidoid Surrealist wrote:I even heard someone on the radio describe a band as being "meatcore"

Yeah!!! MEATCORE!!!!!!!

Labeling Music?