Miroslav Philharmonik Pre-Orders Open!!!

[Derek up North]

Tremelo is when you have a variation in the pitch of a note, vibrato is when the volume changes.

Blimey an almost music theory question and I knew the answer!

Regards,

Derek.

[harmony gardens]

Tremelo is when you have a variation in the pitch of a note, vibrato is when the volume changes.

Blimey an almost music theory question and I knew the answer!

Regards,

Derek.

Thanks Derek,,, so then a string player would use the bow to create vibrato, and his/her finger on the string to create a tremelo??

[beltrom]

Tremelo is when you have a variation in the pitch of a note, vibrato is when the volume changes.

Eh, could we get a second opinion on this one. Because in my head it's the other way around...

Even though I know the little pitchshifter on guitars is called a tremolo...

[Derek up North]

Well I am a guitarist rather than a violinist so I tend to think of tremolo in terms of "dive bomb down three octaves" and vibrato in terms of "effect found on the amplifier/pedal board"

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the "proper" musical definition was different.

I've just looked at the Oxford English on-line dictionary and it defines vibrato as:

noun Music a rapid, slight variation in pitch in singing or playing some musical instruments, producing a stronger or richer tone.

— ORIGIN Italian, from vibrare ‘vibrate’.

and tremolo as:





tremolo

• noun (pl. tremolos) Music 1 a wavering effect in singing or playing some musical instruments. 2 (also tremolo arm) a lever on an electric guitar used to produce such an effect.

— ORIGIN Italian.

Doesn't help much does it!

Regards,

Derek.

[beltrom]

Yes, I kept reading myself, found these...

It seems a bit of a blur. But basically - originally it was more tremolo = volume, vibrato = pitch. But it depends on instruments, technique and the line is not very clear nowadays...

http://www.soundpostonline.com/archive/ ... /page4.htm
http://www.vibroworld.com/magnatone/vibrato.html

[Frunobulax]

Looks like the definitions of vibrato and tremelo are about as clear and definitive as the U.S. Tax Code.

[beltrom]

Well, I'm an oldie, so I settle for - I used to be right back when the dinosaurs walked the earth....

[Derek up North]

...and I refuse to go to any website called "vibroworld"

Regards,

Derek.

[Squids]

Just couldn't resist

... and another to the harmonygardens foundation fund!

Thanks don1thedon!

I've been studying the pictures of the GUI, and have to say it's beautiful!! If we follow our logic tree here, if Philhamonik is based on Sampletank 2.1, and includes the CSR Reverb, then ST2.1 should include it also, correct??

It also leads me to a question,,, what is the difference between Tremelo and Vibrato??

No, for Miro we went beyond SampleTank 2.1 specs which means that the sounds themselves also won't open in ST2.0 or 2.1 and have to be run as its own plug-in for the proprietary features and copy protecion (the sounds have their own copy protection). However, there will be an update beyond ST2.1 that WILL also open it too. You really have to look at that as an extra though. The main thing is that these are their own PLUG-INS (not libraries for your ST... that's a bonus part). So, anyway, I don't think any part of CSR is included with ST2.1 There are limits to what can be added for a free upgrade.

Tremolo and Vibrato differ in that Trem is modulation of amplitude and vib is modulation of pitch. In the case of strings, tremolo strings are also the effect the player(s) bowing up and down quickly and repeatedly which is more than just modulation of the amplitude but also a complex sound (which I happen to like... very dramatic).

When you play on the fretboard of a guitar like was described earlier that is vibrato. The wammy bar is a multi-purpose pitch altering mechanism which can do vibrato and a dive bomb would be considered a glissando I suppose. It may or may not also be affecting amp level as well but even if it did it would not be doing it without afffecting the pitch so it really ISN'T tremolo (despite the name). Some amps have true tremolo though (like the o'd Vox AC30).

[beltrom]

...and I refuse to go to any website called "vibroworld"

You'll never know what you're missing...

[gareth]

Frankly, squids I'm glad you cleared up that Trem/Vibrato thing. I'm actually looking in on this thread whilst in the middle of teaching - singing - and I was getting worried that I've been telling my students a load of rubbish for the last eight years! Your defination is the one I've been using so I'm sticking with it. Thank god, I couldn't bare being wrong about something...:-)
Ordered Miroslav by the way...the wait is gonna kill me. I still can't get over how much I rely on ST2XL/SS2 and all the extra library I've bought in group buys etc, considering that I had never considered buying a "generic" virtual instrument (I've got Roland/Emu modules for that) until some random group buy I saw on the Logic User Group for (I think) Omnisynth. It arrived with a SampleTank LE disc and the rest (along with the contents of my bank account) is history.
I've talked a fair few people into Sampletank now and none have regretted it - although as they are all Logic users, there was a bit of a learning curve about how best to set it up to make the most of accessing each part easily and still being able to use freeze effectively. In short, what I'm trying to say Squids, is thanks for some wicked products that have had a positive impact on my production work. How much money should I be putting by for Studiophonic by the way? :-)

[starblue]

Just double checking in case I'm missing something, there is no cross-grade for other orchestral libraries right? I know this is rare but QLSO offered this last month. Just making sure.


Also where are the Choir demos? I haven't heard any demo with the choir yet.

[beltrom]

Frankly, squids I'm glad you cleared up that Trem/Vibrato thing. I'm actually looking in on this thread whilst in the middle of teaching - singing - and I was getting worried that I've been telling my students a load of rubbish for the last eight years! Your defination is the one I've been using so I'm sticking with it. Thank god, I couldn't bare being wrong about something...

I think you would find the first link in my post above interesting. It's an article called "THE VIBRATO THING"...

[Squids]

Just double checking in case I'm missing something, there is no cross-grade for other orchestral libraries right? I know this is rare but QLSO offered this last month. Just making sure.


Also where are the Choir demos? I haven't heard any demo with the choir yet.

I am working on some demos involving choirs and other material from the library. We're also doing a ton of individual demo riffs to check out a lot of sounds ala carte. That should be up soon.

As for crossgrades from OTHER libraries... hmmm, that is tricky. The way crossgrades are done by IK is that SampleTank 2 users (who qualify for the crossgrade) are registered with IK so IK can know who qualifies and the store doesn't have to go through any trouble (because they sell the crossgrades too). But, in this case, Sonic Reality is one of the co-owners of the Miroslav material and we also have rights to everything that was released by Miroslav (including his full original orchestral libraries). So, on www.esoundz.com we are at least going to offer the crossgrade discount (really an upgrade) to anyone who can show proof of ownership of any of the original Miroslav discs. That would have to be arranged with a salesman like Alex alex@esoundz.com

There is no competitive crossgrade from other orchestral products at the moment. Maybe there will be at some point but in some ways it isn't that we're trying to get you to switch. By all means, use your other orchestral products too! This one just sounds unique and has its own thing about it that perhaps you'd want in addition to whatever else you may have.

[Baxter]

I am a violin and guitar teacher and have been playing both for over 40 years. Some of the confusion about tremelo comes from the fact that on guitar amps tremolo is usually an alternating increase and decrease of volumn, and for string instruments tremolo indicates rapidly alternating up and down bow strokes, as Squids correctly indicated. Not really the same thing. Vibrato, as Squids also correctly stated, is modulation in pitch. (One thing that most non string players are not aware of is that, atleast where violins and violas are concerned, the pitch oscillation begins on the pitch, goes flat, and then returns upward to the pitch.)

Baxter