i CANT MAKE A DANCE SONG!!!

[tetraplan]

Write sit-down music instead.

Groet, Erik

//edit:
it took me 9 hours to discover the typo.

[rsmus7]

btw.

pgup still around?

or dancing to soulkrakas music

[soulkraka]

btw.

pgup still around?

or dancing to soulkrakas music

boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss

[zeoy]

I'll have to stick up for Wrench on this one.
I don't write dance music myself though I like alot of old skool tunes.

IE:

FSOL - Papua New Guinea
BassHeads - Is there Anybody Out There
808 State - Pacific 202
Rythm is Ryhtm - Chaotic harmony
A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray
Baby Ford - Ooochie Koochie
Stakker - Humanoid
KLF - What time is Love / 3 am Eternal etc...
Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds
Olive - Your Not Alone
Felix - Stars
LFO - LFO
Bomb da Bass - Bug Powder Dust (actually that whole album is rather good)
Faithless - Insomnia (though they are a killer live act)
basement jaxx - first two albums
Underworld - the whole of Dubnobasswithmyheadman is still damn amazing as are tracks like Nuxx , Born Slippy ,Dark Train , Cups , Leutin etc etc ...
Early Jilted Generation Prodigy - Voodoo People and No Good Start the Dance (for example) .
Orbital - The Brown Album and Snivilization still get played ALOT at home here.
As do certain Sabre's of Paradise , early Warp releases and lots of early house & acid house material. (I have a rather huge vinyl collection which I'm quite proud to say I've never sampled).
I use to spend hours with my hardware synths and sequncers learning how all this stuff was programmed from scratch. Much fun too be had trust me.
Bizzare Incorporated - Playing with Knives
Blue Pearl - Naked in the Rain
Tonnes of Satoshi Tomi , Franki Knuckles , Carter , May , Aitkins , Aux 88 , Undeground Resistance material.
Old Wax Traxx , FFrr , Acid Trax and early Artificial Intelligence releases.
Even some older Astral Projection , Juno Reaktor , Infected Mushroom etc ...
All still holds up very well.
Not to mention early High Energy artists like Sylvester and 80's acts like Heaven 17 , cabaret voltaire , front 242 , yazoo , depeche mode , DARE era Human League , Severed Heads , Yello etc etc who where quite literal the soundtrack to my teenage years.
I could not imagine being a teenager again without DM / The Cab's and Yello inparticular actually.

Tracks like No Ufo's , Knights of the Jaguar and early detroit techno and mid 80's electro material.
Most if not all of it IMHO still holds up very well indeed .
Not much of it sounds very samey or similar though and there was an obvious stylistic difference from artist too artist.
Something that is somewhat lacking these days IMHO.
To many me too I can sound the same type tracks.
So yeah a great dance track is definately somewhat of a fine art for what it's worth.
I was probably lucky enough like many here to be old enough to have started clubbing etc around 85.
And seen ALOT of great stuff pop up on the underground etc...
Though I also absolutely loved going to places like the crappy Fringe Club in Elizabeth Street , Locomotion , Subterain , Check Point Charley , Zuzus , Taboo etc that had a harder indie , industrial , punk and somewhat twisted sense of what dance music was and could be.
Lots of IggyPop / 70's Bowie and other oddball stuff was always getting thrown in the mix for a good laugh.
You kind of get too old for clubs in your late 30's IMHO.
And I listen to tonnes of Jazz , Kraut Rock , Indie , Classical and all sorts of avante guarde and in between stuff these days anyway.

Leave the trance stuff out (that clinical sounding-grooveless-formulaic kind of music doesn't belong to dance music ) and we 're talking the perfect match in music preferences here (at least for dance music).
I was going to clubs, farms, festivals, warehouses etc from 88 untill 02 and the good stuff was getting rare towards the last years. Last good dj-set was from D. May ~2001, but stuff like Voodoo Ray or Humanoid still make me jump. So ,there's always room for good dance music.

[Seus Hawkins]

Huh, there is always these people who say dance music is easy and theory is necessary to make good music, well, if thats the case then everyone would be doing it.

Of course not, anyone with a decent taste would commit suicide before creating a dance track. (A stereotypical one, that is) FSOL, Prodigy, Underworld etc. as mentioned above are in a different league.

When was the last time you went to a club? you think people don't know good from ok tracks?

They don't know what a good track is really. They're used to low quality mass produced music. They wouldn't go near music like Sonic youth's SYR albums for instance. They simply wouldn't understand and then they'd go on using music as something on low volume that is heard in the background so they avoid thinking "too much". Apart from that they just want something with a beat so they can move their bodies conceiling signs of decay.

Regards

[kab]

When was the last time you went to a club? you think people don't know good from ok tracks?

I'm quite sure they don't. But then you get into the arguement that if music sounds good to an individual, then it is good.

Your average music listener is not going to pick up on the things that critical listeners other artists will appreciate. This is why there is (and always will be) such a void between billboard top-40 sort of music, and underground movements.

And don't worry about not being able to make a dance song. There's plenty of other people who have those bases covered anyhow.

[netsound]

It takes a certain sensibility to apreciate trance, and you are wrong, good trance is not formulaic and clinical, you don't know what you talking about zeoy.

And you know what, If you don't get it, you just don't got the neurons to understand! and Who gives a shit anyways! I can ramble on and on about how f**king stupid country music is or whatever...but I don't, Im just not into it.

Lots of people here on KVR don't have a clue what they're talking about when it comes to apreciating music. You can't call something bad because you don't like it! Because there are millions of club goers world wide who apreciate trance every day. Its actually the most poplular kind of club music and its exploded from the underground into the mainstream with the help of a a handfull of DJs. Its a Phenomenon.

Same thing with pop and other dance stuff on the radio. You might not like it but its good enough to be on the radio and someone is making money everytime it plays.

The good trance is meant to stay underground. I don't want it on the radio, the world isn't ready for it yet. The music our children will listen to 10-15 years from now will be really different, we might not understand it, but that doesn't make it bad music.

[flex42]

trance is pretty bad though, innit?

[kaden]

foosnark wrote:
There are enough dance songs in the world. Make something else! tsk tsk tsk


WRONG!


There are more rap/pop/rock songs in the world then anything else.

Dude...he said *enough* dance songs, not *more*.

Cripes, you're an obstreperous little fella. Don't your parents pay enough attention to you?

K

[foosnark]

its exploded from the underground into the mainstream with the help of a a handfull of DJs. Its a Phenomenon.

You should be in marketing.

[Steven West]

My girlfriend went to get her Woo-Ha fixed with an obstreperous doctor once... But all he did was get up her ass.

Where's my 3x5 cards and Dennis Millers mailing address! That one could put me on the map... Of Europa atleast?

[John Vulich]

"I CANT MAKE A DANCE SONG!!!"

Errr, consider yourself luckky. I'm not sure that I see what the problem is.

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

One has to wonder - if you can dance to it, doesn't that make it a dance song?

[zeoy]

It takes a certain sensibility to apreciate trance, and you are wrong, good trance is not formulaic and clinical, you don't know what you talking about zeoy.

And you know what, If you don't get it, you just don't got the neurons to understand! and Who gives a shit anyways! I can ramble on and on about how f**king stupid country music is or whatever...but I don't, Im just not into it.

Lots of people here on KVR don't have a clue what they're talking about when it comes to apreciating music. You can't call something bad because you don't like it! Because there are millions of club goers world wide who apreciate trance every day. Its actually the most poplular kind of club music and its exploded from the underground into the mainstream with the help of a a handfull of DJs. Its a Phenomenon.

Same thing with pop and other dance stuff on the radio. You might not like it but its good enough to be on the radio and someone is making money everytime it plays.

The good trance is meant to stay underground. I don't want it on the radio, the world isn't ready for it yet. The music our children will listen to 10-15 years from now will be really different, we might not understand it, but that doesn't make it bad music.

Chill out man. Being in the club scene for 15 years and being a musician for over 30 years I know something. At least I know what I like. When I said clinical I meant that trance always sounded clean and polished to my ears whereas early house, detroit, acid etc producers weren't afraid to sound dirty or out of tune but at the same time their tunes were funky, groovy and soulful. That straight 4/4 16th quantized trance beat doesn't make me wanna dance. And those childish/eastern/cliched/epic chord progressions ... what can I say? Maybe I don't know what's in the underground trance today or I am to old for that. Who knows. Enjoy your music while I enjoy mine

Peace

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