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jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:03 pm

geoffrey wrote:None of the old blues or rockabilly guys knew music theory. Hendrix did not know music theory. (Guess that's why I am a teacher!)

That is actually not true...when you sit down and play some of those songs, you'll see and hear correct theory being used.

Hendrix knew that a blues pattern was I-IV-V, because he used it, and in many different keys with lots of variations. When his chord root was an E, his solo followed the notes in the E pentatonic scale, which he knew well enough to toy with creating tension by going out of it when he wanted to.

Same with the rockabilly guys. If they didn't play I-IV verses, they'd get boo'd off the stage. They knew the theory that applied to their genre as well as Bach knew how to use a major 7th cadence, or Coltrane knew how to blow the shit out of a II-V-I.

netsound · Post by **netsound** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:16 pm

you can teach even teach a monkey to paint, but that doesn't mean that he/she will become the next Salvador Dali. By the way, Dali didn't paint like the scholary michelangelo, but Dali sure was a genius... I love Dali...

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:27 pm

geoffrey wrote:None of the old blues or rockabilly guys knew music theory. Hendrix did not know music theory. Musical talent/genius is not found within a Slominsky theory tome. It's in the heart and soul. Having said that, I think learning theory is a good thing. Hell, learning is a good thing in almost any situation. (Guess that's why I am a teacher!)

Clapton once claimed, that Hendrix once stopped in mid-performance, to ask Eric to come to the stage and tune his guitar for him!

McLilith

kaden · Post by **kaden** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:46 pm

you can teach even teach a monkey to paint, but that doesn't mean that he/she will become the next Salvador Dali.

I'd be interested in seeing your data on simian art schools. When presented with paint, brushes and canvas, *some* monkeys manage to transfer paint to canvas. Oddly enough, sometimes these works find their way into the sapiens art market where they can fetch respectable prices at auction.

This is more a statement on the buyer than the artist.

Dali was a formally trained artist by the way. He was expelled from art school shortly before graduation for having a large ego.

Having a common artistic vocabulary with his contemporaries allowed him to shamelessly lift their riffs until his own style matured.

By the way, netsound...any linkage to your tunes available? I'd love to hear your pure creative expression.

K

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:48 pm

sorry-wrong thread....

rg

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:54 pm

kaden wrote:This is more a statement on the buyer than the artist.

I agree. This point speaks to more than the graphical arts.

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:00 pm

McLilith wrote: Clapton once claimed, that Hendrix once stopped in mid-performance, to ask Eric to come to the stage and tune his guitar for him!

McLilith

Probably because his acid trip was peaking and the tuning pegs looked like little giggling mushrooms.

Listen to live recordings of Hendrix, you can hear him casually tuning his guitar between songs while talking to the audience -- effortlessly! That's why I stand behind the LSD excuse.

netsound · Post by **netsound** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:19 pm

i forgot to mention that some paintings were on the ebay selling for 12000 dollars.... Maybe I can teach my monkey to draw a picture of nuffink. ha ha ha ha

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:20 pm

netsound wrote:i forgot to mention that some paintings were on the ebay selling for 12000 dollars.... Maybe I can teach my monkey to draw a picture of nuffink. ha ha ha ha

There's more chance of that than you ever doing any music worth shit.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:53 pm

jplanet wrote:
McLilith wrote: Clapton once claimed, that Hendrix once stopped in mid-performance, to ask Eric to come to the stage and tune his guitar for him!

McLilith
Probably because his acid trip was peaking and the tuning pegs looked like little giggling mushrooms.

Listen to live recordings of Hendrix, you can hear him casually tuning his guitar between songs while talking to the audience -- effortlessly! That's why I stand behind the LSD excuse.

Except, what you can't see on those audio recordings, is Eric Clapton deftly turning the machine heads for Hendrix.

McLilith

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However, you're probably closer to the truth.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:00 pm

c'mon Hendrix...in tune? Aint that an oxy-moron...

netsound · Post by **netsound** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:57 pm

nuffink wrote:
netsound wrote:i forgot to mention that some paintings were on the ebay selling for 12000 dollars.... Maybe I can teach my monkey to draw a picture of nuffink. ha ha ha ha
There's more chance of that than you ever doing any music worth shit.

Oh well, boil away!

sontrinh80 · Post by **sontrinh80** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:06 am

i want anyone who doesnt know music theory to make a song on the complexity level of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. It took Mercury only 8 weeks to do it and he didn't rely on gimics like 'gear' to make it sound good. one good measure of a good song is that it sounds good rearranged for different instruments.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:17 am

sontrinh80 wrote:i want anyone who doesnt know music theory to make a song on the complexity level of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. It took Mercury only 8 weeks to do it and he didn't rely on gimics like 'gear' to make it sound good. one good measure of a good song is that it sounds good rearranged for different instruments.

I could match that complexity level in 8 hours. Now, the quality level -- that's another issue...

McLilith

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:29 am

i can do it in 4 hours!

this is a silly thread

Rant on music theory ignorance.