Rant on music theory ignorance.

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nuffink,

You're right, I am a teenager and have my whole life ahead of me to achieve things that you can never even dream of in that tiny brain of yours, which, apparently didn't increase in size as you've aged. Who are you? What have you done? You are a nothing (no need to underline that in your screen name) and you did nothing. A friendly reminder: and you have no time to do anything. You're jealous of me because of the above mentioned facts and use this board as an emotional outlet. By the way, at your age you should serve as an example for the youth and you, gran-pa, are a BAD BAD gran-pa.

P.S. You, my friend, should consult a professional, and get a life instead of wasting the little time you have left by putting down innocent teenagers. After all-it's not my fault you need help. (I apologize if you are mentally handicapped, so please don't interpret my comments as prejudice against the mentally ill or any other minority groups.)
Thank you.

There, there, poppet. Did the nasty man make you feel small and stupid?
I doubt you'll ever do anything, little one. You're too proud of your own ignorance. That's ok, the world needs shelf stackers.

hey nuffink you know what's really funny? He says he's a teenager, then he says we dont what's ahead of us....both probably true...however the thing he didn't think of is he has no idea where's he going either...but we do...been there, done that got the T-shirt....

[nuffink]

hey nuffink you know what's really funny? He says he's a teenager, then he says we dont what's ahead of us....both probably true...however the thing he didn't think of is he has no idea where's he going either...but we do...been there, done that got the T-shirt....

Just another little chancer who fancied he'd get away with shooting from the lip on a forum. He's probably had a laugh doing it at a few other places, but k-v-r's harsh on trainee trolls.

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A lot of great stuff...

but the one thing that I dont understand is why you feel forced to follow the rules. Like I said a long time ago in this thread, theory is also breaking the rules. Your description would be the thoughts of someone without the ability to understand where and when it's proper to break the rules. You suggest that learning theory makes your thinking static like and uni-dimensional. I truly hope that hasn't been your experience.

I'm gonna be quite honest here Sascha, I am quite jealous of one thing about you, you can teach. For some reason when I try to teach someone to play I get frustrated at myself because I can't put into words what I do. Every music store I have worked at tried , kids would come in, hear me play and ask for me to teach them...but alas it's not my strong point. (though ironically when taking tests for college years ago teaching was the number one suggestion).

With all that said, I think you were a bit vague and one-sided in your example (which in itself was quite good). If everyone who knew theory became static thinkers that might be closer. However, I am the opposite when it comes to playing gi-tar. I dont compose solos, fills, hooks ect...they come naturally, and the only time I may revert to theory to figure out what I should play is when I have tried many things and nothing seems to work. Your example was theory>improv...I'm improv>theory.

I hope that makes sense, like I said before when it comes to the rules I'm more apt to stick to them for my rhythm section and throw them out the window for my lead gi-tar playing (after all I believe that lead and vox are color)...unless I get stuck on like one transition or something...then I'm apt to look at it from a theory background, and then I'm apt to create a variation of that...

[Sascha Franck]

but the one thing that I dont understand is why you feel forced to follow the rules.

I don't feel forced to follow any rules, but I'm conditioned to do so.
One of the side effects of studying music.

[Meffy]

I am a teenager

Golly goshes gee, I'd never have guessed. =9_9=

You know, most of the young folks here come off as far more mature than you have. I can respect them, newcomers or not. Some have raw talent ready to channel into projects; others have interesting ideas and new viewpoints; still others have little except enthusiasm and a willingness to learn and grow. The ones who count do their best to contribute to KVR in some way. To the extent that they're willing to be a part of KVR, they gain respect and recognition. What do you bring to the party?

Since you've got a whole life ahead of you, why not spend some of it on growing up? Wouldn't you like to start earning some respect instead of digging yourself deeper into the hole you've made? You're not capable of hurting anyone else with childish behavior, you know -- only yourself.

No time like the present for starting. *shrug* But it's your choice. Your life. Use it however you see fit. Here's hoping you choose more wisely in the future.

[Hovmod]

Are we there yet?

[Meffy]

but the one thing that I dont understand is why you feel forced to follow the rules. Like I said a long time ago in this thread, theory is also breaking the rules.

Depends on each person's inclination, dunnit? Some people are natural rule-breakers, others find satisfaction from working inside a structure. Both ways are artistically valid.

IMO knowing some music theory is a great help in being able to tell what's what. Not necessary but very useful. Those with vast amounts of talent can ignore tradition and theory, go beyond into new, uncharted areas of art [edit: and achieve greatness]... but they're few and far between.

[Meffy]

Are we there yet?

If you don't stop this instant, I'll turn this thread around and we're going straight home, young man! I really mean it this time!






=^_^=

[Arglebargle]

netsound - since you have so much potential, and have called out others for having no talent, why don't you post some of your own compositions?

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but the one thing that I dont understand is why you feel forced to follow the rules.

I don't feel forced to follow any rules, but I'm conditioned to do so.
One of the side effects of studying music.

I'm sure I haven't formally studied music as much in an acedemic setting as you...but I sure have studied muisc for a long time now (including playing trumpet from grade 5 through high school)...it just goes to show I guess...it's different for everyone...because I am quite the opposite.

[Sascha Franck]

You know Hink, I'm making my living mostly by playing some sort of questionable commercial jobs... maybe that's just adding to the "dilemma".
Couldn't say I'm exactly too sad about the situation, but my "true" creative output has become less over the years it seems.

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netsound - since you have so much potential, and have called out others for having no talent, why don't you post some of your own compositions?

you know perhaps you're putting him on the spot a bit...I say it's best to just let go what he said, chaulk it up to be a teenager...face it, it's not like none of us were teenagers.

While what he said was less then called for it meant nothing really, let's not push him away...if he has potential I think we should set a good example and help him to grow some...

[peppy197]

I've met many amazing musicians who sight read like a machine and understand music theory like it was 2nd nature, but many of them can't improvise. ......

... because those that cannot read worth beans are forced to improvise, or else.

Whereas those that read very well like to use their skills.


allen

[androidlove]

improvise, or else

album title?

the plot to every magiver

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You know Hink, I'm making my living mostly by playing some sort of questionable commercial jobs... maybe that's just adding to the "dilemma".
Couldn't say I'm exactly too sad about the situation, but my "true" creative output has become less over the years it seems.

True catch-22 I guess...in retail I went through something similar..at the end of the day I had ear fatigue...I had been blasted all day with crap playing, people wanting to try drums...stupid yamaha keyboards yelling out "DJ" every second...of course the day Billy Sheehan spent the whole day at our store (Daddy's Junky Music in Nashua New Hampshire) I didn't complain much..