DSP algorithms

[Galleoneer]

hello earthlings,

this could be interesting for all.

I am looking for a well organized compendium kind of dsp effects algorithms book, resource, whatever ...

My focus is on coding a UNISON effect. But I never encountered a usefull guide.

thanks

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[blümchen]

So well.

You would not be able to find one with an UNISINO "effect". At least that wouldn't be a "good" book then...

Because UNISONO is actually not an effect, but simply a multiple processing per definition. A stack or layer of tone generation with the same synthesis thechnique and probably very equal (but not identical) sound.

It is implemented as multiple processing layers in synthesizers for instance and cannot be applied afterwards to a single voice.

That (what you mean) finally, would then be a "chorus" or an "ensemble" effect, which is completely different in architecture, technique and sound result.

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[Galleoneer]

So well.

You would not be able to find one with an UNISINO "effect". At least that wouldn't be a "good" book then...

Because UNISONO is actually not an effect, but simply a multiple processing per definition. A stack or layer of tone generation with the same synthesis thechnique and probably very equal (but not identical) sound.

It is implemented as multiple processing layers in synthesizers for instance and cannot be applied afterwards to a single voice.

That (what you mean) finally, would then be a "chorus" or an "ensemble" effect, which is completely different in architecture, technique and sound result.

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yes, this is the cheapest way to implement UNISONO. if you generate the voices just simply add multiple detuned instances.

but, you are completely (and fataly) wrong with your theory that it can only exist this way.

It is also possible to be implemented as an effect that can be applied to a external source. I know hardware unisono boxes (very pouplar in the 80s). Reason 2.5 has a unisono effect, too.

It has also a different implementation then chorus but it is also another name for the ENSEMBLE effect you mentioned.

I also have an idea how to implemnt this. but again I only asked for a book to be sure.

[mdsp]

well, you want won't find this inside a book I fear.

for chorus and the like the better reference I know of is Jon datorro's paper: http://www.stanford.edu/~dattorro/EffectDesignPart2.pdf

[Galleoneer]

well, you want won't find this inside a book I fear.

for chorus and the like the better reference I know of is Jon datorro's paper: http://www.stanford.edu/~dattorro/EffectDesignPart2.pdf

thnx, I'll give it a look later

[blümchen]

So well.

You would not be able to find one with an UNISINO "effect". At least that wouldn't be a "good" book then...

Because UNISONO is actually not an effect, but simply a multiple processing per definition. A stack or layer of tone generation with the same synthesis thechnique and probably very equal (but not identical) sound.

It is implemented as multiple processing layers in synthesizers for instance and cannot be applied afterwards to a single voice.

That (what you mean) finally, would then be a "chorus" or an "ensemble" effect, which is completely different in architecture, technique and sound result.

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yes, this is the cheapest way to implement UNISONO. if you generate the voices just simply add multiple detuned instances.

but, you are completely (and fataly) wrong with your theory that it can only exist this way.

It is also possible to be implemented as an effect that can be applied to a external source. I know hardware unisono boxes (very pouplar in the 80s). Reason 2.5 has a unisono effect, too.

It has also a different implementation then chorus but it is also another name for the ENSEMBLE effect you mentioned.

I also have an idea how to implemnt this. but again I only asked for a book to be sure.

Well.
If you believe, that this is UNISONO, so believe it.
But it is not all unisono inside, where unisono is printed on...

I prefer to take things something more "exactly".
That's probably the same as those dudes, which claim, they have build "emulations" with the standard SE modules...

And probably there is a reason, why you wouldn't find it inside DSP books?

At next we probaly get a whole lot more of that shit from people, who think, they did invent anything new or had an innovation ( but merely lacking completely knowledgement ).

What you described, is in fact an "ensemble" or "symphonic" effect, not unisono. Because the real one uses realy multiple voices.
Your concept uses single voices and creates the rest "synthetically" or "faked". This is, right, a chorus concept - exactly a multi stage chorus. Simply that and nothing different.

No serious developer or manufacturer would ever mismatch those both completely different things. Even to keep the credibility.

But that "marketing trick" may work for you. Not for me and probably not for many other people too. An "unisono" may sell better than a "chorus" to the clueless folks. And there will be surely people, who claim, that it "sounds soooo real" finally.

Cheers.

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[Galleoneer]

Well.
If you believe, that this is UNISONO, so believe it.
But it is not all unisono inside, where unisono is printed on...

Must be the same about wannabe expertise. But honestly its not about believing its about science and facts.

I prefer to take things something more "exactly".
That's probably the same as those dudes, which claim, they have build "emulations" with the standard SE modules...

So you like it exactly heh. Here is my exact point of view aboiut you: incompentent wannbe producing stupid and useless controversy

At least the people doing systedit are creative and productive. What about you.

Not only this post but always the same concept: at least think before you speak.

At next we probaly get a whole lot more of that shit from people, who think, they did invent anything new or had an innovation ( but merely lacking completely knowledgement ).

What you described, is in fact an "ensemble" or "symphonic" effect, not unisono. Because the real one uses realy multiple voices.
Your concept uses single voices and creates the rest "synthetically" or "faked". This is, right, a chorus concept - exactly a multi stage chorus. Simply that and nothing different.

No serious developer or manufacturer would ever mismatch those both completely different things. Even to keep the credibility.

But that "marketing trick" may work for you. Not for me and probably not for many other people too. An "unisono" may sell better than a "chorus" to the clueless folks. And there will be surely people, who claim, that it "sounds soooo real" finally.

Well I am not hyping and betraying customers. My product so far is really innovative and new. This was just a question about documentation but I found papers proving me right.

Just because I don't want you to die stupid,
ll try to point you into the right direction:

Chorus works with superpositioning time vaiant signals to the original. (For you: delay with modulation)

Unison/Unisono/Ensemble work with superpositioning frequency (and time if you like) manipulated signals to the original.

SO if you are adding/stacking slightly detuned voices in a synth thats because you are sitting on the OSCs. You have to detune your input signal the same way if you are not generating it. That is possible if you know how. And than it is UNISON. But hey belive that you are still right you dont have nothing else than dreams I guess. ridiculous

[Urs]

Berlin: 100 points

Urs

[blümchen]

...

What a shitload of nonsense and prove of complete inability.

An example:

Well I am not hyping and betraying customers. My product so far is really innovative and new. This was just a question about documentation but I found papers proving me right.

But you are actually looking for a DSP publication, where the concepts of "your product" are written, right?

How innovative and new is that then?


or that:

SO if you are adding/stacking slightly detuned voices in a synth thats because you are sitting on the OSCs. You have to detune your input signal the same way if you are not generating it. That is possible if you know how. And than it is UNISON. But hey belive that you are still right you dont have nothing else than dreams I guess. ridiculous

Well.
Unisono is not only detuning, you know?
So much to YOUR knowledgement.

You nutter. Keep bashing!



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[Urs]

Pusti,

you remind me to somebody I don't like too much. What's wrong with you?

Hate it when you're proven wrong or what? Is that why you don't give links to your products made up from your extraordinary experience and knowledge? Afraid of criticism?

Sorry, but your comments are childish. Grow up and treat people with respect man.

Cheers,

Urs

[blümchen]

I am not wrong.

But some of you have probably a license for talking pure nonsens.

Show me anything true in that "thesis" from Gallagalla...

There is nearly all nonsens, the thesis, the kind of doing "innovation" by asking here and all that behaviour then, which is mostly a result by somebody who is obviously quite wrong and uninnovative.

An innovative "unisono" effect ...
What a fun.

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[Urs]

Hmm, as far as I know Galleoneer, his plugin will not be a simple ensemble effect. It will certainly be a part of a bigger assembly of things in which the ensemble/unison whatsoever is just a tiny option.

I guess you'll also deny that CamelSpace is an innovative effect because each of its elements was made before?

Honestly, the only wrong statement here was you confusing pitch shifting with modulated delay lines and the way you jump on Galleoneer.

Cheers,

Urs

[blümchen]

Hmm, as far as I know Galleoneer, his plugin will not be a simple ensemble effect. It will certainly be a part of a bigger assembly of things in which the ensemble/unison whatsoever is just a tiny option.

I guess you'll also deny that CamelSpace is an innovative effect because each of its elements was made before?

Honestly, the only wrong statement here was you confusing pitch shifting with modulated delay lines and the way you jump on Galleoneer.

Cheers,

Urs

I did not confuse anything.
Because I did not even consider "pitch shifting" techniques, as you say.

And that is also the main mistake. To reduce Unisono to "pitch shifting" techniques.

So I suggest you some lessons too...


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[Urs]

Btw. I would also be interested in this stuff. I know MDA Detune, but I hardly know any other such phatenizer. It would be interesting if one had to go all the way with a phase vocoder for good results or if there was any more elegant way to achieve pitch shifting of < 5 Hz.

Cheers,

Urs

[blümchen]

Yes, yes.
I understand. "pitch shifting" again...
That's really all what you know...

pitch shifting == unisono == chorus == ensemble == nonsense ...

Seems to be quite senseless here.
Cheers.

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