ArtsAcoustic VS Lexicon 960 (or any lexi hardware) :)

[JeffSanders]

Most pop these days uses virtually no reverb. Listen to some pop and see if you hear any reverb. Now in the 80's that was another story, but today everything is bone dry and stale. Oh how I miss mixes with space and dimension.

Micing things from different distances is an alternative. I'm not anti-verb. I love the UAD Plate and use it on most vocals. Just saying delay is a very good alternative when it is set to a subliminal level. And since it's rhythmic and can be synchronized to tempo easier than verb - it's often much more effective.

Back to topic, I know. Arts Acoustic sounds pretty metallic compared with, say, the Princeton verb. imho.

[nick at artsacoustic]

Most pop these days uses virtually no reverb. Listen to some pop and see if you hear any reverb. Now in the 80's that was another story, but today everything is bone dry and stale. Oh how I miss mixes with space and dimension.

Micing things from different distances is an alternative. I'm not anti-verb. I love the UAD Plate and use it on most vocals. Just saying delay is a very good alternative when it is set to a subliminal level. And since it's rhythmic and can be synchronized to tempo easier than verb - it's often much more effective.

Back to topic, I know. Arts Acoustic sounds pretty metallic compared with, say, the Princeton verb. imho.

hi jeff,

would you mind telling me how you use it, and whatfor?
there are actually a lot of possibilities to remove metallic and coldness, if there is any. we think, that is actually the power of our reverb, to be able to avoid theese side effects.
maybe i can give you a hint?

[greendoor]

The Princeton just sounds permanently dark and low level, which covers up it's cheap sproinginess and makes it hard to set wrong. So I guess that makes it "easy" to blend into a mix. AAR is far more flexible, and it has the ability to be set bright and metallic if you want, or you can set it really dark and smooth if you prefer. I can't believe anyone would truely prefer the Princeton over the AAR - unless they didn't spend much time seriously A/B'ing the two.

[loomchild]

Micing things from different distances is an alternative. I'm not anti-verb. I love the UAD Plate and use it on most vocals. Just saying delay is a very good alternative when it is set to a subliminal level. And since it's rhythmic and can be synchronized to tempo easier than verb - it's often much more effective.

Very true. It seems that some people also forget that reverb is not a sonic enhancer per se that would work on everything and for every situation. You wouldn't want to record musicians in the Grand Canyon.

As for reverbs being metallic or smooth, dark, silky, whatever...., most decent reverbs offered in VST format allow you to EQ the signal, making it darker or brighter depending on your needs. Don't be fooled by the skills or lack of of the one who made the presets to ditch a plugin in particular. The rest is a matter of tastes, and there's not much point in discussing tastes.

[crimsontider]

AA is incedible. For anyone who has not tried it, do youself a favor and try the demo.

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1725.html

Try the second preset "Deep Gong Long" making sure you set the levels up a bit.

[DevonB]

Hi Jeff,

Just playing with the demo here. Little put off that all the presets are designed to have the reverb set up as a send effect. I almost always use my 'verb as an insert. Be nice if there were 'send' and 'insert' categories for the presets.

Devon

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[bmanic]

Hi Jeff,

Just playing with the demo here. Little put off that all the presets are designed to have the reverb set up as a send effect. I almost always use my 'verb as an insert. Be nice if there were 'send' and 'insert' categories for the presets.

Devon

That's no problem actually. Just set the wet/dry as you want and tick the "back panel" 'do not change wet/dry with preset" option.

- bManic

[nick at artsacoustic]

as allways, you are faster than me, bmanic ...

[DevonB]

as allways, you are faster than me, bmanic ...

Thank you, just what I needed. I missed that.

Devon

[Breeze]

The Princeton just sounds permanently dark and low level, which covers up it's cheap sproinginess and makes it hard to set wrong. So I guess that makes it "easy" to blend into a mix. AAR is far more flexible, and it has the ability to be set bright and metallic if you want, or you can set it really dark and smooth if you prefer. I can't believe anyone would truely prefer the Princeton over the AAR - unless they didn't spend much time seriously A/B'ing the two.

I spent some time A/Bing the two and wasn't able to get the same tone out of the AAR as the Princeton. But perhaps since you have more experience with the AAR you could create a preset that does? I'd really be willing to listen to that.

I'm not sure the AAR demo allows loading of presets, but posting a preset setting list here will do.

Thanks!

Breeze

[nick at artsacoustic]

I spent some time A/Bing the two and wasn't able to get the same tone out of the AAR as the Princeton.

hey breeze,
that`s probably because it is _not_ the princeton.
it`s easy:
try to find any setting that you like in _it`s own_ given character. if you like it, great, if not, then our reverb maybe just isn`t what you are looking for. why do you want to imitate another reverb?
use thatone instead, if you like it, because that`s what you are looking for then.
to really bring yourself forward in deciding, try to find something which you only can do with our reverb.
explore, don`t imitate ...

[omo]

I've been playing with AA for the last 30 minutes and I have to say plug-ins now come much closer to good hardware units. But it is still too metallic as someone mentioned. I have to say, thou, a little less metall in sound, a bit more natural balance and it would almost hold its own against 480l. I would not compare AA sound with TC units as those are totally different (and to me TC are superior to Lexicons).

[Breeze]

I spent some time A/Bing the two and wasn't able to get the same tone out of the AAR as the Princeton.

hey breeze,
that`s probably because it is _not_ the princeton.
... why do you want to imitate another reverb?

I completely agree with you nick. I was replying to Greendoor's biased and unfounded assessment that the AAR was capable of imitating the Princeton.

Breeze

[DevonB]

I spent some time A/Bing the two and wasn't able to get the same tone out of the AAR as the Princeton.

hey breeze,
that`s probably because it is _not_ the princeton.
... why do you want to imitate another reverb?

I completely agree with you nick. I was replying to Greendoor's biased and unfounded assessment that the AAR was capable of imitating the Princeton.

Breeze

Amen. I think a few of us are getting a bit tired of the 'Princeton is crap, AAR rules the universe' attitude he keeps spouting about. The AAR reverb is nice. The Princeton is easier to use, and has a good transparent sound I.E. you notice when it's gone more than if it's there. The AAR reverb does a good job, reminds me of my Eventide DSP4000 in some respects, but you notice the reverb. Not a bad thing mind you, but not always ideal either. Haven't played with the demo long enough to really see how far I can push it though. The Long Gong preset somewhat reminds me of the Crystaline Worlds and Enormo Canyon presets on the DSP4000.

Devon