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McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:09 pm

kaden wrote:Rhythm is the placement of accents, notes and rests within a bar of music which has a defined time signature. Cadence is ..er...recurring rhythmic patterns, sorta
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If you put together 1 bar of 3/4 with a slight shuffle feel and 1 bar of 2/4 with a 2 step feel, you end up with 1 bar of 5/4 with the cadence of Dave Brubeck's 'Take 5'.

This of course has nothing to do with tarnce.

K

So, "accent" applies to dynamics on the level of a measure, and "cadence" applies to relatively short (or could they also be long?) patterns, which are larger than a single meaure in length?

take care,
McLilith

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Oddly enough, I don't seem to mind that this has nothing to do with tarnce.

kaden · Post by **kaden** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:27 pm

Ayup...rhythm is the beat, cadence is the 'big picture' groove more or less. Rhythm section players generally don't sweat the specific terms as much as some other instrumentalists, in my experience.

Where rhythm section guys get anal is over stuff like 'what flavour of shuffle'...I can personally think of a dozen distinct shuffles off the top of my head...if pressed I could likely come up with a bunch more. Rhythmic sub-genres, as it were. Latin is even more convoluted, particularly when you have 5 different nationalities laying claim to a particular 1 bar pattern, each giving it a distinctive name in a distinctive language. This is the part where 'paying attention' and 'listening like a thief' are yer primary requisite skills.

It's no wonder drummers have a bad rep, having to try to remember alla this stuff without their head asplodin'.

K

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:41 am

"Cadence" is a multi-purpose term. It can also mean a pattern that brings a section to a close; there are various kinds with picturesque names. Or it can be a marching tempo in paces per minute, or a marching chant for soldiers:

Sergeant: I don't know, but I'VE been told...
Soldiers: I don't know, but I'VE been told...
Sergeant: CAP-tain's heart is HARD and cold!
Soldiers: CAP-tain's heart is HARD and cold!
Sergeant: SOUND off!
Soldiers: ONE, two.
Sergeant: ONCE more!
Soldiers: THREE, four.
Soldiers: ONE, two, three, four...
Soldiers: ONE! TWO! ... THREE FOUR!

hello1234 · Post by **hello1234** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:46 am

Much the same way as Stetson western hats are common on cowboys (at least in pop culture), but a Stetson is not actually part of the cowboy himself.

I dunno..........I always have mine on........even during sex.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:26 am

eyeknow666 wrote:
Much the same way as Stetson western hats are common on cowboys (at least in pop culture), but a Stetson is not actually part of the cowboy himself.

I dunno..........I always have mine on........even during sex.

Well, in your case it just might have become permanently attached to your head!

I heard of an extremely overweight lady who had been bedridden for years. When the paramedics came to take her to the hospital, they discovered that her skin had grown into her bed sheets!

Doctors had to surgically remove the sheets from her skin. (She later died from her excessive weight, during that same trip to the hospital.)

So, take that darn hat off once in awhile -- while you still can!

(I'm kidding about your hat, but the lady was a true story.)

take care,
McLilith

mojogigolo · Post by **mojogigolo** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:58 am

this thread has been a great read, thanks for all the interesting facts and the good question (which i have pondered myself.

theoretically ignorantly yours,

mojo.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:00 am

Honestly, you can do whatever you want. accent whatever you want. You can overlay any meter over another one too. The other day i was playing in 4 with my feet and in 7 with my hands.

hello1234 · Post by **hello1234** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:49 am

I heard of an extremely overweight lady who had been bedridden for years. When the paramedics came to take her to the hospital, they discovered that her skin had grown into her bed sheets!

Doctors had to surgically remove the sheets from her skin. (She later died from her excessive weight, during that same trip to the hospital.)

Euueeeeeewwwwwwwwwww

freeztar · Post by **freeztar** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:00 am

Nice thread...
Just to note, Samba is almost always in 2/4 (Accent on the one). Yet, every percussion part besides the surdo would *appear* to be playing a 4/4 or a swung 6/8.
Good stuff!

kaden · Post by **kaden** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:29 am

This is the kind of core theoretical lore that makes it unimaginably easier to collaborate creatively...it's as primally essential to ensemble musicians as colour theory is to visual artists.

This is not stifling or limiting: it *frees* you to be creative *with other people*.

When you compare how easy this stuff is to grasp with how much time you spend reading software manuals and googling users groups looking for an unpatched workaround, it's a pretty good deal.

Plus we get to play with other people really easily.

Sometimes there's girls.

w00t, as the kids say.

K

sangha · Post by **sangha** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:23 am

kaden wrote:This is not stifling or limiting: it *frees* you to be creative *with other people*.

Yep. It creates a common language, so to speak.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:36 am

sangha wrote:
kaden wrote:This is not stifling or limiting: it *frees* you to be creative *with other people*.
Yep. It creates a common language, so to speak.

Pun intended?

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kaze · Post by **kaze** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:14 am

I don't find 6/8 comparable to 3/4 in the way I use it. 2/4 could be made similiar by using a triplet per beat but this tends to sound stiff. I suppose you could make 6/8 sound like 3/4 by grouping 2+2+2/8.

edit; I just realised I was replying to the first page of this thread. I gotta get with the program.

A question about time signatures