brand names I'll never buy

[cptgone]

I've been told the Messias is coming, so I have a good look at each of my turds before I flush 'em. (Or was it the Antichrist - I keep forgetting...)

I'd never buy a dolphin from the Adolfinarium ((c) http://www.kamagurka.com/ ).

[Hink]

okay after this post it the thread could fade away...add up all the complaints of all the companies and they still dont add up to the worse

COMCAST

[Meffy]

James Randi expects too much, from what I vaguely remember. I think he demands some sort of extremely obvious and 100% repeatable evidence.

Check out his website. http://www.randi.org/

You'll see that the JREF (Randi doesn't actually participate in the testing, he's the founder and guiding spirit ;-) of the foundation) works very carefully with claimants, and that one of the critical points is that both parties must agree that the test protocol is fair before testing will commence. It's a very well thought-out process, quite equitable.

Last I checked, they were trying to set up a test of a so-called "stone" that's supposed to make CDs sound better if you put it near your stereo, or some such thing. :-D People are paying TONS of money for these things!

[mandolarian]

Think about it, lower frequencies travel slower then higher frequencies. They are wound so they compensate for that...I can't do that.

Wow! You must have a different physics textbook than most of us. The WAVELENGTH gets bigger the lower frequency, but are you claiming the velocity changes as well???

So, you have some sort of multi-band cables, with specialized electrons for low frequencies and 'lighter' electrons for high frequencies?

The speed of light and other constants, just another variable here at KvR.

KvR: makin' da junk for junk science.

[McLilith]

Comcast is the worst? I don't know...

What about Adelphia?

On a totally unrelated note, I would never consciously buy anything from any of the big tobacco companies. I have not the tiniest shred of trust or interest in those people.


take care,
McLilith

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Think about it, lower frequencies travel slower then higher frequencies. They are wound so they compensate for that...I can't do that.

Wow! You must have a different physics textbook than most of us. The WAVELENGTH gets bigger the lower frequency, but are you claiming the velocity changes as well???

So, you have some sort of multi-band cables, with specialized electrons for low frequencies and 'lighter' electrons for high frequencies?

The speed of light and other constants, just another variable here at KvR.

KvR: makin' da junk for junk science.

Time Correct® Windings
While effective in lower cost cables, Amplitude Balanced construction does not complete the whole picture. Time domain distortions can be improved, but cannot be accurately controlled to give us the sonic attributes that are related to phase as described earlier. In interconnect cables we correct these time domain distortions by creating a longer path and higher impedances for the higher frequencies. We cannot speed up the lows, so we must delay the highs. By winding the high frequency conductors to create inductance at those frequencies, we delay them in time to pass through the cable at the same time with the slower lower frequencies. This develops the ability to capture lost phase-related information such as dimensionality, soundstage, imaging and depth.

This technology places great demands on our manufacturing processes to precisely wind the wire, control the number of turns for the different conductors-which is especially difficult because the smaller high frequency wires need to be more precisely and tightly wound than the low frequencies, and to delicately handle varying gauges of conductors that are wound together without breakage or waste.

The complexity of the windings increases the cost proportionately since machine time is very expensive. The complexity of Monster's constructions in our higher priced cables is apparent to the eye, but it's the audible results of Time Correct construction that are well worth the cost and effort.

[Hink]

btw longer waves travel slower...

[nuffink]

Last I checked, they were trying to set up a test of a so-called "stone" that's supposed to make CDs sound better if you put it near your stereo, or some such thing. People are paying TONS of money for these things!

They're called shakti stones. Pure voodoo of course. Same as monster or any other cable which claims sonic superiority.

Randi's a hero.

[donkey tugger]

Vodaphone of course..

[McLilith]

Think about it, lower frequencies travel slower then higher frequencies. They are wound so they compensate for that...I can't do that.

Wow! You must have a different physics textbook than most of us. The WAVELENGTH gets bigger the lower frequency, but are you claiming the velocity changes as well???

So, you have some sort of multi-band cables, with specialized electrons for low frequencies and 'lighter' electrons for high frequencies?

The speed of light and other constants, just another variable here at KvR.

KvR: makin' da junk for junk science.

I hate to break the news to you, but the speed of light is not an absolute constant. Read this: Speed of Light Definition

Notice the part about light slowing down, depending on the medium it's in.

Electrical signals do propagate down a cable at ever so slightly different speeds, depending on their frequency. However, the difference in speed across the audio spectrum, for any reasonable piece of studio cable is totally negligable to the human senses. Depending on the length of the cable, and the frequencies involved it could become a problem, but it would likely only be a significant issue with extremely long cables and high radio frequencies.

I would expect far worse sonic abberations occuring from non-time-aligned speaker systems, the abberations and limitations of crossover filters, the lack of optimum acoustic treatment in the listening room, the relatively large amount of distortion present in typical loudspeakers, etc. Even the nonlinear aspects of air itself are probably more of a factor than the imperceptibly miniscule amount of dispersion added by this diference in propogation velocity through a common studio cable. You really shouldn't be having any perceptible effects at anything near audio frequencies.


take care,
McLilith

[nuffink]

Time Correct® Windings
While effective in lower cost cables, Amplitude Balanced construction does not complete the whole picture. Time domain distortions can be improved, but cannot be accurately controlled to give us the sonic attributes that are related to phase as described earlier. In interconnect cables we correct these time domain distortions by creating a longer path and higher impedances for the higher frequencies. We cannot speed up the lows, so we must delay the highs. By winding the high frequency conductors to create inductance at those frequencies, we delay them in time to pass through the cable at the same time with the slower lower frequencies. This develops the ability to capture lost phase-related information such as dimensionality, soundstage, imaging and depth.

This technology places great demands on our manufacturing processes to precisely wind the wire, control the number of turns for the different conductors-which is especially difficult because the smaller high frequency wires need to be more precisely and tightly wound than the low frequencies, and to delicately handle varying gauges of conductors that are wound together without breakage or waste.

The complexity of the windings increases the cost proportionately since machine time is very expensive. The complexity of Monster's constructions in our higher priced cables is apparent to the eye, but it's the audible results of Time Correct construction that are well worth the cost and effort.

The language of physics is mathematics. The language on display here is pure marketing.

Where are the figures?

[Hink]

gee and I just thought it made sense because of what the property of waves are...I mean freucuency equals how frequently the wave peaks and drops...lower frequencies peak through their cycle less frequently and travel further then that of higher frequencies, that cycle faster in a shorter distance...

[McLilith]

You'll see that the JREF (Randi doesn't actually participate in the testing, he's the founder and guiding spirit of the foundation) works very carefully with claimants, and that one of the critical points is that both parties must agree that the test protocol is fair before testing will commence. It's a very well thought-out process, quite equitable.

JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc.

Darn, there goes my chance at a $1,000,000.

...and to think that I spent several years of my life, learning how to move the stars in the sky, using only the power of my mind -- all for nothing!

















McLilith

[mandolarian]

Time Correct® Windings
While effective in lower cost cables, Amplitude Balanced construction does not complete the whole picture. Time domain distortions can be improved, but cannot be accurately controlled to give us the sonic attributes that are related to phase as described earlier....blah. blah. B.S. B.S.....blah.. blah... ...The complexity of the windings increases the cost proportionately since machine time is very expensive. The complexity of Monster's constructions in our higher priced cables is apparent to the eye, but it's the audible results of Time Correct construction that are well worth the cost and effort.

Oh, boy....Another case of a distorted interpretation of RF Transmission theory applied in the marketing department. This such an abomination of audio frequency physics that it would be hilarious if they weren't trying to sell you something. Just substitue the phrase 'Imaginary Marketing Point' for 'Time Correct' and you'll be ok.

Sadly, these Monster Marketeers are rookies compared to the $3,000.00 per foot snake-oil high-end cable companies. Of course at $3,000.00 per foot you expect more than just cables, you expect a complete re-write of physics with lots of cool pictures. And they deliver!

[Meffy]

McLilith's got it, in every regard near as I can tell. And nuffink and mandolarian. I'm afraid it's all voodoo, snake oil, and swine shampoo.

Hink, I love ya like a bro, but gotta say it just ain't so. Woooord.