EMULATOR X??? Hard DIsk Versus RAM Streams
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 13 Jul, 2005
I Spent Roughly $500 On Emualtor X And Some Soundsets And It Sucks...FOr Example Anytime I route AUdio From EMU X To ANy Other ASIO In Other Than 1And2 I Get Those Terrible Stuck Notes That I Used To Get With My PK6...EMu X Claims That Hard Disk Streaming Is So Much Better Than RAm But Why Is It THen That I Can Load Up Roughly 10 Copies Of A 12 Min Song Into Halion But Loading Up A COuple Presets In HALion Deems The Latency On The EMU X Almost Unusable....I Have A Gig Of RAM A 2.8 GHZ P4 SO My Comp Is Not THe Problem...It Seems Like EVer SInce I Installed The EMU X My Latency With SX Is Nuts Sometimes Up To 20 Msec...And Thats At 256 Buffer Size...HELP ME
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- KVRist
- 261 posts since 19 Jan, 2005
Streaming isn't "so much better than RAM" - it just allows the sampler to use banks that are too big for the main memory. You have a lot of RAM, so try increasing the pre-roll length for starters, or if you don't have an enormous bank loaded, turn streaming off.
I haven't had any problem with stuck notes. Maybe this has to do with disk streaming as I have 2 GB RAM and don't use DFD - but then this is really the first I've heard of this problem, and it doesn't sound like a bug in the sampler; output channel should have nothing to do with stuck notes...
Are you using the latest drivers (1.8)?
You did read the manual, right?
Latency is set within E-MU's ASIO control panel, accessible from Emulator X or from any ASIO properties window. You can change it there, and in Emulator X you can also set the sampler's internal buffer size independent of the latency. In other words I don't understand your complaint about the latency. (It's also worded strangely - what has loading presets in HALion got to do with latency in Emulator X?)
It's true that Emulator X can take more CPU than other samplers, but this is only when extra features are turned on. High-quality interpolation, filters, chorus, even programmed crossfades eat voices. Playback of one wave file with no filtering or modulation, though, is pretty much just like the same thing in Kontakt. Make sure you know what your presets are doing.
Just be warned - long latencies can lead to MIDI response jitter in Emulator X's output. A partial fix is to lower the buffer size, but you can lose notes if you lower it too far. This is one of the few remaining issues with the sampler; the other major one is that many people find the GUI difficult.
I haven't had any problem with stuck notes. Maybe this has to do with disk streaming as I have 2 GB RAM and don't use DFD - but then this is really the first I've heard of this problem, and it doesn't sound like a bug in the sampler; output channel should have nothing to do with stuck notes...
Are you using the latest drivers (1.8)?
You did read the manual, right?
Latency is set within E-MU's ASIO control panel, accessible from Emulator X or from any ASIO properties window. You can change it there, and in Emulator X you can also set the sampler's internal buffer size independent of the latency. In other words I don't understand your complaint about the latency. (It's also worded strangely - what has loading presets in HALion got to do with latency in Emulator X?)
It's true that Emulator X can take more CPU than other samplers, but this is only when extra features are turned on. High-quality interpolation, filters, chorus, even programmed crossfades eat voices. Playback of one wave file with no filtering or modulation, though, is pretty much just like the same thing in Kontakt. Make sure you know what your presets are doing.
Just be warned - long latencies can lead to MIDI response jitter in Emulator X's output. A partial fix is to lower the buffer size, but you can lose notes if you lower it too far. This is one of the few remaining issues with the sampler; the other major one is that many people find the GUI difficult.
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- KVRian
- 961 posts since 11 May, 2004 from cologne,germany
gui still sucks, thats right.93143 wrote: Just be warned - long latencies can lead to MIDI response jitter in Emulator X's output. A partial fix is to lower the buffer size, but you can lose notes if you lower it too far. This is one of the few remaining issues with the sampler; the other major one is that many people find the GUI difficult.
but the midi issues seems to have been resolved. the latest 15.2 update claims to introduce sample-accuracy, finally. and it really seems to be right, emulator feels really tight now.
and for the cpu usage, i think the sound u get out of this thing is really worth it. i personally use one instance with at most 8 channels used and than freeze and open another one. of course would be nicer if i could use all 19 channels of emulatorX without freezing, but I just love the sound of this.
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- KVRian
- 961 posts since 11 May, 2004 from cologne,germany
[quote="abi" the latest 15.2 update[/quote]
that is of course 1.52 update
that is of course 1.52 update
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- KVRist
- 261 posts since 19 Jan, 2005
No, I don't think you've understood me. It's hard to tell, because I don't quite understand you. Read my post thoroughly before responding, please.vherbal wrote:Its Not The GUI As I Had used the software mixer and powered FX of the 0404..i think its just bad programming
(Perhaps I shouldn't have made my comment on the interface the VERY last thing I typed; it was simply a general remark and was not intended as troubleshooting.)
Has anyone else any idea what's going wrong in vherbal's setup?
abi wrote:that is of course 1.52 update
Hey, thanks - it seems I've missed at least one update this week. This helps a lot. But I can't find this "OS update" they mention on the forum; I would very much like to see if SoundFont 2.1 imports properly now...emu.com wrote:MIDI Note-ons are now sample-accurate in VSTi mode.
Nice. That was one of the "functionality gaps" in the synth; it would have been very complicated to implement this with patch cords, and it probably would have sucked CPU...emu.com wrote:Cycle Groups allow you to create much more realistic-sounding presets by cycling through multiple samples.
Regarding CPU - I agree with you. They claim that "the back end is a fully fledged modular synthesizer". The power of a piece of software is demonstrated in doing things it wasn't designed for; witness the granular synth I mentioned earlier. Besides, for most patches it gets more polyphony than my Audigy ever did...
As for the GUI, I was a Vienna user, and I've never tried either EOS or Kontakt. Compared with Vienna, most things about Emulator X are great...
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- KVRist
- 261 posts since 19 Jan, 2005
Hmm... I guess "OS update" refers to the 1.52 patch. It seems two E-MU guys both posted announcements on the same update. I wish the website said something about the converter in the update description...
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- KVRian
- 580 posts since 3 Feb, 2005
I have to say that being a long term Emu user from the Emax to EIII to the E64000.... the Emu X sucks big time.
I bought the 1820m emu x studio when it first came out. I gave it a very long time to sort itself out.... until I sold it on ebay 2 months ago.
Was unusable as a sampler, buggy as hell, terrible for using in projects, i.e paid work in studio.
The GUI is a mess, the cpu usage I could live with sort of, if only the thing was stable, didn't crackle... could let me audition samples before placing them in a preset...in fact it was so bad I just could not work with it.
2 outputs and inputs and it sort of worked ok for a bit, changing from 44 - 96khz was a nightmare, the actual sampler I just used as a rompler. Had to buy a 3rd party convertor to convert my aka sample cd collection, as the one that came with it was usless.
But the worsed thing, and I mean the most unforgivable thing, was the non sample accurate timing even as a vsti. A lot of my mates write drum and bass for a living, and all there beats were flamming all over the place, I found the same. Every other sampler can do sample accurate timing except emu x. This is really a Creative product not Emu. Why didn't they just port over the Eos operating system.
I bought the 1820m emu x studio when it first came out. I gave it a very long time to sort itself out.... until I sold it on ebay 2 months ago.
Was unusable as a sampler, buggy as hell, terrible for using in projects, i.e paid work in studio.
The GUI is a mess, the cpu usage I could live with sort of, if only the thing was stable, didn't crackle... could let me audition samples before placing them in a preset...in fact it was so bad I just could not work with it.
2 outputs and inputs and it sort of worked ok for a bit, changing from 44 - 96khz was a nightmare, the actual sampler I just used as a rompler. Had to buy a 3rd party convertor to convert my aka sample cd collection, as the one that came with it was usless.
But the worsed thing, and I mean the most unforgivable thing, was the non sample accurate timing even as a vsti. A lot of my mates write drum and bass for a living, and all there beats were flamming all over the place, I found the same. Every other sampler can do sample accurate timing except emu x. This is really a Creative product not Emu. Why didn't they just port over the Eos operating system.