I always intended to write a piece called 'The Bad-Tempered Klavier', however I think that PDQBach bloke beat me to it...
Well, not actually beat me to it, rather he produced a piece named that before me..
DSP
Composing in Db key?
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
they do on guitar, but to retune a piano or a synth would take too long (I'd probably forget why I was doing it before I finished it)...cool site thoug...kaze wrote:BTW here is a good place to start if alternative tunings interest you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Well-Tempered_Clavier
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
this site is interesting about notation (not tab)
http://www.gprep.org/~music/musikbok/chap3.html
http://www.gprep.org/~music/musikbok/chap3.html
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
There are also singers who specialize in the ancient and worthy system called just intonation.duncanparsons wrote:..actually, there still is a difference between Db and C#, and a good violinist can play it. Likewise, F## ISN'T another name for G, even tho' our equal tempered pianos like to think so. With a little vibrato, a guitarist can modulate between C# and Db, but whether or not they're intending to is another matter.herodotus wrote:And the reason that some enharmonic spellings are preferred over others is based on the fact that at one time, before about 200 years ago, there WAS a difference between d flat and c sharp.
All good fun!
DSP
Well worth a listen.
Tempered fifths are vastly inferior to fifths in just intonation. There is a huge difference.
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- KVRist
- 127 posts since 11 Jul, 2004 from Hong Kong
Guitar gets even more complicated when it comes to alt tunings. see pic http://users.rcn.com/dante.interport/justguitar.htmlHink wrote:they do on guitar, but to retune a piano or a synth would take too long (I'd probably forget why I was doing it before I finished it)...cool site thoug...kaze wrote:BTW here is a good place to start if alternative tunings interest you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Well-Tempered_Clavier
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
see pic...see me...I use many tunings, nothing has been recorded in years in standard...the second chordwizard I have is for that...you put in the tuning and it shows over 9000 chordshapeskaze wrote:Guitar gets even more complicated when it comes to alt tunings. see pic http://users.rcn.com/dante.interport/justguitar.htmlHink wrote:they do on guitar, but to retune a piano or a synth would take too long (I'd probably forget why I was doing it before I finished it)...cool site thoug...kaze wrote:BTW here is a good place to start if alternative tunings interest you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Well-Tempered_Clavier
This is just a quick overview and an Am tuning, the design you can do two ways, the neck can be right or lefty strung proper or backwards...you can even choose the neck wood and marker dots...of course also it will print out chord charts and scales as well...it works with most stringed instruments and you can define your own custom tunings, it searches out and sets the chord shapes...really cool software if you're like me and like alternat tunings..
EDIT: as you can see you can have it notated by note letters (third pic) or intervals (2nd pic) you can reduce the scales to one position and then cut that in half (upper 3 strings, lower 3) and the notes/intervals can be colored like my pics or you can have them one color...obviuosly there are more choices on scales and chords then I could show due to the scroll bar...
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
who said anything about intonation?...I dont believe that intonation changes by tuning...by string gauge or height adjustments yes...kaze wrote:To change intonation you would have to pull the frets out and move them around (or leave them out all together).
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
qoute from the faqs at Transperformance which is a very pricey self tuning guitar system...but before you judge it check out the users...
Does the Performer affect intonation?
No. Intonation is altered by changes in string length. The Performer changes tunings by adjusting the tension of the strings while keeping the string length constant.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
It'sa f**king daft key to play on the geetar though. Where's the indierokk in d flat? Pffft.fitch wrote:it's a nice key to play piano in... all the black keys
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
It could be cool on a baritone though...donkey tugger wrote:It'sa f**king daft key to play on the geetar though. Where's the indierokk in d flat? Pffft.fitch wrote:it's a nice key to play piano in... all the black keys
I have thought of this before...Warmoth makes a doubneck strat body, they also make direct replacement necks to change a standrd strat to a baritone...I've thought it would be cool to tune the Baritone to open C, and my favorite tuning on my guitar is Am, the relative minor to Cmaj...of course this same technique could be applied to all keys and tunings...The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRist
- 127 posts since 11 Jul, 2004 from Hong Kong
I was talking about Just Intonation and alternative tuning (as in the size of intervals). That guitar pictured is altered so that this alternative form of intonation can be used.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I'm sorry, I just dont understand what you're saying...first no matter how you look at it every fret of a guitar is a 1/2 step interval and second the neck in my picture hasn't been altered...the tuning has but not the neck.kaze wrote:I was talking about Just Intonation and alternative tuning (as in the size of intervals). That guitar pictured is altered so that this alternative form of intonation can be used.
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Sadly, we are no longer allowed to compose in C#, unless we have a license from M$duncanparsons wrote:I would avoid Db myself - far too problematic. Too many flats makes for sad music. C# on the other hand - excellent. More sharps: happier music. Even a couple of double sharps in there. Try out BDouble# - you get some triple sharps in there too: you'll just swell with joy.
:)DSP
perception: the stuff reality is made of.