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martian · Post by **martian** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:51 pm

jmh wrote:(not to mention the simple fact that still hasn't been negated - it's always people lacking the experience with the expensive gear bringing up this discussion about expensive gear's quality being a myth...)

Regards,

JMH

so true.

i myself have almost no experience with expensive analog gear, but i trust the opinions of those who have, provided they can impress me with their engineering ability 1st!

there are plenty of producers with great analog set-ups, but whose engineering sounds shit, its when they go on about warmth and sound quality i dont listen. I dont belive they are skilled enough to isolate it, let alone have the abiltiy to disern its better.

Samb · Post by **Samb** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:57 pm

Feltch Academy wrote:because the movement of a speaker/monitor cone smoothes out a huge amount of digital jagged edges

I think you are still missing my first point about d/a converters here. The signal that goes to the speaker cone from the converter is a smooth anologue one, not jagged in any way. Google sinc reconstruction to see how d/a converters work, if you don't already.

A final thought about my preference for real analogue over digital (particularly signal generation). It was wrong of me to say one is better than the other. These are two different systems with different advantages. I’ll just say for now that I think that My JP8 kicks absynth’s ass for the sounds I want in my music.

This I agree with completely - use what ever you prefer, sound quality is a totally subjective and personal thing.[/quote]

Feltch Academy · Post by **Feltch Academy** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:12 am

Samb wrote:[The signal that goes to the speaker cone from the converter is a smooth anologue one, not jagged in any way. Google sinc reconstruction to see how d/a converters work, if you don't already.

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sinc reconstruction can be thought of (and I'm really simplifying here) as a filter effect. a d/a converter is not a filter -although some will incorporate a filter and/or sinc reconstruction in the circuit- a most basic example of a d/a converter using a filter (in the circuit) is high and low cut - which will round the squares of a digi wave a little. as will amplification and a speaker cone and your ear drum.
the real smoothing (in allot of equipment) comes because the frequency of the wave (post d/a) is faster then the amp and speakers can adjust for (eg 44.1 khz).
If you don’t agree with me that's fine. We will have to agree to disagree, because I won't be posting anything else on the subject of d/a converters - I'm sure we both don't want to be arguing around and around in circles. - with you posing examples of d/a with sinc and me posting without. it could go on for ever!

this is all besides the point of this thread anyway. all the best to you - your arguments are good ones and correct. unlike mark77

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jmh · Post by **jmh** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:18 pm

It's the same as talking about religions. Except that we're talking about something that actually exists

Regards,

JMH

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blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:32 pm

jmh wrote:It's the same as talking about religions. Except that we're talking about something that actually exists

Regards,

JMH

What?

Religions don't exist?
Or does the "content" of those not exist?
Or what?

I think, you entered dangerous terrain now ...

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donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:34 pm

Ouuf, time for a bit of anal log warmth down the shitter I'll wager.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:34 pm

slerbo wrote:I had to keep it quiet in my studio, so was through sennheiser hd580 phones, esi wt2496 soundcard. I heard the differences ok, but the original mix (CLIP2 - rendered from FL studio I think?) sounded slightly 'better' to me than the one through the Fairchild (passing through, no compression added)! Whoops.. it seemed the most 'airy' sounding and the sounds sat more nicely together than the Fairchild one (wierd but that's my ears).

Not weird at all! I'm glad you took time to listen to the clips. I still like clip nr 3 the most myself but that's probably because I like a slightly squashed sound. Also, clip1 is quite a lot bass lighter which I think is good becuase of the 'too big' kick drum. All these in the end are just different tastes which is a GOOD thing.

Good post mate! Cheers!

- bManic

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:11 pm

Jonny X wrote:No, Religion certainly exists, as does belief in analog warmth.
The question is, does anything substansiate the beliefs...

Ok, I'll choose your reply to explain my post which wasn't obviously well formed.

I should have said "talking about God" but that would have ruled out any religions that have more than one

Your analogy somewhat goes to the same terrain I tried exploring - analog warmth vs God.

Hence reshaping my post:

"It's the same as talking about God or Gods in any religion. Except that we're talking about something that actually exists"

And to your further pondering... that's what at least some of the posters in this thread are trying to get through - it exists, you need to fiddle with the gear and compare, you need good ears, and above you need to understand it's not a magic trick that makes anything and everything sound great.

Something like that...

Pustekuchen I know... but as you know, this is KVR - nothing like some controversial comments to get the thread alive again

Regards,

JMH

omo · Post by **omo** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:50 pm

Just listened to the clips, bmanac. The original sounds best to me. Clip 3 sounds louder, I'd say it's a little compressed - L2 comes to mind - I didn't like it. Clip 1 lost some air and some in the middle - flattened it -a bit which could be a good thing, but imho in this particular example it isn't - however, I think it made it more analog i.e. more lo-fi. I imagine processing clip 3 with Fairchild (1) would smooth it for the better.

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:11 pm

jmh wrote:
"It's the same as talking about God or Gods in any religion. Except that we're talking about something that actually exists"

JMH

What?
God does not exist?

Auuuwaiiia.
You really entered dangerous terrain with that now ...

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blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:15 pm

If God dosn't exists, so then the Devil don't exists.
Then I am really pissed on now ...

To whoom, to f**k, I sold my soul then ???

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ddummer · Post by **ddummer** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:21 pm

To whoom, to f**k, I sold my soul then ???

To Ana-Lord.. God of warmth...

//Daniel

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:55 pm

ddummer wrote:
To whoom, to f**k, I sold my soul then ???
To Ana-Lord.. God of warmth...

//Daniel

The Anal God of Warmth Myth, obviously.
Or the God of Warm Anal Mythology...

Apropos: It's really "warm" here in south-east Germany today. I am sweating like in hell. Without having anything in anal ...

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the analog warmth myth