Sx 2.2. I think if you are heavy into vstis , Sonar could be a prob. I just couldn't deal with it anymore, and I was using Directixer. I was using Sonar 3.0. with all updates. SX2.2 is very solid and no vsti prob and hanging notes etc. It was also "poofing" (Sonar) on me. But as was said, some like it (Sonar) alot. And SX IS elegant.origami wrote:and I've heard so many people saying how buggy cubase sx is...so what sequencers do we have left that are really good?
Sonar 4 loses stability over time
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- KVRer
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
I had SX3 for a month. It was very solid (never crashed). I sold it for Sonar4SE 
. I think I may return to Cubase, if the 4.0.3 update doesn't work out...
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- KVRist
- 457 posts since 14 Aug, 2001
If you believe the hysteria caused by any bug when it is found in a host, then none of them are!origami wrote:and I've heard so many people saying how buggy cubase sx is...so what sequencers do we have left that are really good?
It is true that people who are suffering problems with a host tend to shout louder than those who are not and it can seem like a program is riddled with bugs when they are not. All I can comment on are the hosts I own:Sonar 4 Producer: the only crash I have encountered is when I have been beta testing plugins, other than that it has been solid. I don't use any of the big drum romplers (RMX etc) so I don't know about those wrapper issues.
Project5 v2: Same as Sonar.
Tracktion 2: No crashes, although I don't use it much as it still lacks a number of features I want...
EnergyXT: This seems to be stable too (although I can't say that I have really got my head around it properly
)Renoise: Stable too...no crashes recently, although again, I rarely use it as it is missing features I want.
To be honest, I don't seem to have many problems with any hosts at all, although Acid Pro is the only exception as it crashes constantly during the VST plugin scan. Other than that, it is pretty plain sailing for me at the moment...
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- KVRian
- 694 posts since 6 Aug, 2002 from London, UK
I'll agree with xylyx - the only SONAR (4.02) crashes I get are caused by the odd rohue plugin.
I've never even been able to get the demo of SX to run on any machine - it always crashes on opening (Dr Watson) 100% repeatably, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people :-)
I've never even been able to get the demo of SX to run on any machine - it always crashes on opening (Dr Watson) 100% repeatably, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people :-)
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
if you believe the pitiful whiners on this thread about sonar problems then i suggest you might be interested in my genuine fingernail from jesus.
full-featured hosts are complex pieces of software and will sometimes be made unhappy by interaction with other software.
but taking the statements of one or two people who have problems is just as stupid as the "which hard drive is best" thread where someone says they once had two maxtors fail within a year of each other which, of course, means all maxtors are crap.
the only way to gain the tiniest shred of insight is to read the relevant host forums going back over months at least.
even then you'll find that all the big name hosts are generally pretty reliable.
if you do bother to read the sonar forum you'll see that there are a couple of issues around at the moment, the most significant being the 'gapping' issue (not related to crashing though) which is currently being addressed in the upcoming 4.03 patch.
most other issues tend to be on a case by case basis due to individual users' computers or particular instruemnts.
full-featured hosts are complex pieces of software and will sometimes be made unhappy by interaction with other software.
but taking the statements of one or two people who have problems is just as stupid as the "which hard drive is best" thread where someone says they once had two maxtors fail within a year of each other which, of course, means all maxtors are crap.
the only way to gain the tiniest shred of insight is to read the relevant host forums going back over months at least.
even then you'll find that all the big name hosts are generally pretty reliable.
if you do bother to read the sonar forum you'll see that there are a couple of issues around at the moment, the most significant being the 'gapping' issue (not related to crashing though) which is currently being addressed in the upcoming 4.03 patch.
most other issues tend to be on a case by case basis due to individual users' computers or particular instruemnts.
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
isn't it more accurate to say that your musical 'career' is riddled with showstopping bugs ?ttoz wrote:Sonar is a brilliant audio and midi sequencer taht is unfortuantely riddled with show stopping bugs.
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- KVRist
- 202 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
Cubase sx and Nuendo aren't very intuitive,Sonar 4 crashes when working with lot's of vst's ,I mean dxi's.Logic is for Mac users only.I guess I'll buy M Audio card in order to try Pro Tools M Powered.Did anyone tried this sequencer?
And there are also Ableton and Tracktion as a good alternatives
And there are also Ableton and Tracktion as a good alternatives
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- KVRist
- 457 posts since 14 Aug, 2001
You miss two important words on some of the above quote...it should read:Milos wrote:Cubase sx and Nuendo aren't very intuitive,Sonar 4 crashes when working with lot's of vst's ,I mean dxi's.Logic is for Mac users only.I guess I'll buy M Audio card in order to try Pro Tools M Powered.Did anyone tried this sequencer?
And there are also Ableton and Tracktion as a good alternatives
Cubase SX and Nuendo aren't very intuitive for you. Sonar 4 crashes when working with a lot of vst's/dxi's for you.
I do wish people would stop making blanket statements about apps just because they have problems with them. It is obvious that these problems/viewpoints are not shared by everyone, otherwise these companies would not sell any software and go out of business...
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35496 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Hunter; if its a PITA doing that reinstall every so often, consider using something like Ghost.
However, I do find it strange that Sonar starts to 'build up' problems. If you're adding and deleting a lot of plugins, I could understand the fact that you're getting cruft in the registry, but most of Sonar's confg stuff is in its .INF files.
One thing Ive noticed with some software that develops erratic behaviour in 'big' apps is that a disk check (or a total reformat and reinstall!) will often clear it up.
Maybe you've just got a problem hard drive that's introducing errors...
Oh and ignore anything ttoz says. He's just a jinx...
However, I do find it strange that Sonar starts to 'build up' problems. If you're adding and deleting a lot of plugins, I could understand the fact that you're getting cruft in the registry, but most of Sonar's confg stuff is in its .INF files.
One thing Ive noticed with some software that develops erratic behaviour in 'big' apps is that a disk check (or a total reformat and reinstall!) will often clear it up.
Maybe you've just got a problem hard drive that's introducing errors...
Oh and ignore anything ttoz says. He's just a jinx...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- 35496 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
eyeknow666 quoth
fact, the vst/dx wrapper cakewalk provides is junk. It is bizare and does not do the job allot of other peoples do.
I dont find that to be a fact. There is actually only one other wrapper which handles VSTi (DirectiXer), and it has problems of its own, but if the Cakewalk wrapper is 'junk', why havent I had problems with using the 400-odd plugins Ive got installed, which include a very hefty slice of everything from modular stuff like Reaktor through romplers like SampleTank, to synths like DeltaIII, Chameleon and impOSCar, and Quantum FX through to SMEX stuff and bizarre SynthEdit gizmos?
As Ive said before, the consistent problems with the Cakewalk wrapper all tend to be written by Steinberg who cant seem to adhere to their own API standard and wind up tweaking Cubase/Nuendo to suit plugins they develop.
fact, drum romplers HATE sonar. Groove agent, bfd, jamstix......long list........all have allot of quirks. You must have dxier to run some of these in sonar and thats an extra 50 bucks.
I cant commment on that except to say that I know people do use them in Sonar without DirectiXer. And you can see that just by looking in the Sonar forums on the CW website.
Although GA did have problems to begin with, because of course its Steinberg.
However it is true that DirectiXer allows a method for getting MIDI out from these programs. But thats not quite the same as being able to run them.
fact, the vst/dx wrapper cakewalk provides is junk. It is bizare and does not do the job allot of other peoples do.
I dont find that to be a fact. There is actually only one other wrapper which handles VSTi (DirectiXer), and it has problems of its own, but if the Cakewalk wrapper is 'junk', why havent I had problems with using the 400-odd plugins Ive got installed, which include a very hefty slice of everything from modular stuff like Reaktor through romplers like SampleTank, to synths like DeltaIII, Chameleon and impOSCar, and Quantum FX through to SMEX stuff and bizarre SynthEdit gizmos?
As Ive said before, the consistent problems with the Cakewalk wrapper all tend to be written by Steinberg who cant seem to adhere to their own API standard and wind up tweaking Cubase/Nuendo to suit plugins they develop.
fact, drum romplers HATE sonar. Groove agent, bfd, jamstix......long list........all have allot of quirks. You must have dxier to run some of these in sonar and thats an extra 50 bucks.
I cant commment on that except to say that I know people do use them in Sonar without DirectiXer. And you can see that just by looking in the Sonar forums on the CW website.
Although GA did have problems to begin with, because of course its Steinberg.
However it is true that DirectiXer allows a method for getting MIDI out from these programs. But thats not quite the same as being able to run them.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
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- 2935 posts since 14 Dec, 2003 from Edinburgh
I think a compete reinstall should solve things for now.whyterabbyt wrote:Hunter; if its a PITA doing that reinstall every so often, consider using something like Ghost.
However, I do find it strange that Sonar starts to 'build up' problems. If you're adding and deleting a lot of plugins, I could understand the fact that you're getting cruft in the registry, but most of Sonar's confg stuff is in its .INF files.
One thing Ive noticed with some software that develops erratic behaviour in 'big' apps is that a disk check (or a total reformat and reinstall!) will often clear it up.
Maybe you've just got a problem hard drive that's introducing errors...
Oh and ignore anything ttoz says. He's just a jinx...
Sonar IS a superb piece of kit, I can work really fast in it, but these stability problems just make it a slower process, as my flow is interrupted just too often.
I've tried Tracktion whilst beta testing software in it and it seems really good, easy workflow and no hidden comlexities.
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 23 Jun, 2005
Hunter,
Sounds like you're on the right track. Another culprit for some Sonar users is autosave - when Sonar attempts to autosave while a session is playing or recording, many people have hiccups. If you can remember to save yourself, uncheck autosave.
Also, check for the patch on July 26 - we're basically getting a new audio engine with (reportedly) very little gapping.
Sounds like you're on the right track. Another culprit for some Sonar users is autosave - when Sonar attempts to autosave while a session is playing or recording, many people have hiccups. If you can remember to save yourself, uncheck autosave.
Also, check for the patch on July 26 - we're basically getting a new audio engine with (reportedly) very little gapping.