KVR Audio

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:23 pm

flipper, well, i /did/ use it in more than 20 songs, but i always got the impression that if i touched something, it always f**ked up something else .. i mean .. always when touching logics automation i felt like a bull in a china shop ..

and that's why it was pita, but could be, if i had used hours to study how to work it, it could have been more comfortable to use, but at least i wouldn't call it intuitive.

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:24 pm

Great to have you back Jo!

Whatever you do, keep that ZYNTH alive

I know I'm a bit of a fanboy but for me it was the synth to end all synth purchases back in 2003.

So whether you're coding another host or revive the Muyzs thing or go into plug coding, continue with the Muzynth!!

Marco

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:59 pm

original flipper wrote:the alternative is to have half a dozen automation clips/lanes stacked under the track your automating - what a mess that becomes.

Ah yes... "group", "expand" and "collapse" to manage these in Muzys would have been somewhere on my list of things to get Jo to add... Of course, at clip (Part) level rather than track.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:23 am

Bonteburg wrote:Great to have you back Jo!

Whatever you do, keep that ZYNTH alive

I know I'm a bit of a fanboy but for me it was the synth to end all synth purchases back in 2003.

So whether you're coding another host or revive the Muyzs thing or go into plug coding, continue with the Muzynth!!

Marco

I tend to agree. I personally would postpone the idea of a host and work on a monster MuZynth - except quite an evolution from the original. I'm talking heavy artillery.

Then I'd think about a magic host. Of course, like I described and tailor-made for me.

Caleb

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:44 am

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moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:42 am

ttoz wrote:Ok, seriously, I have dissed Jo in the past but think I may have been wrong and that he wants to do good here.

IMO, the world needs the perfect audio host. Something that can be built from the ground up with the public's input, to work with the people on WHAT WE WANT. The aim is to address the shortcomings of every other host, and EVRY SINGLE ONE of them has shortcomings, that's why no host is perfect. This would fill that gap.

yeah, this is kinda the tracktion 2 way, or even much more, the energyxt way .. but there is still much room for alternatives to those. many like t2 but it just doesn't fit in my hand at all so to speak .. so ext is kinda the only one, but i'd be much more happy to have myzys' development continued in the way that ext is developed now.

now /that/ would be an near-perfect host already, at least in a practical sense.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:44 am

i just can't help thinking that i would be creating much better music and do it much faster if muzys were still "alive" ... =((

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:03 pm

HI

As my point about Logics automation has shown - I loved it, someone else hated it!

You will NEVER get a programme that even 50% of people say "Yes - this is what I have been waiting for!".

In reality another host will get it's band of followers much like XT, Tracktion et al - but that is probably it - there are only so many people out there that are looking to invest time and money in starting all over again.

As far as a synth is concerned, come on people - don't you have enough choice - for goodness sakes!

Flipper.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:29 pm

original flipper wrote:HI

As my point about Logics automation has shown - I loved it, someone else hated it!

hate is such a strong word .. ;)

You will NEVER get a programme that even 50% of people say "Yes - this is what I have been waiting for!".

yeah .. in the past i've had this utopistic idea that there would be a perfect host that would be perfect to anyone, but i've since learned that there's just too much differences in the ways we work, but mostly, in /taste/

In reality another host will get it's band of followers much like XT, Tracktion et al - but that is probably it - there are only so many people out there that are looking to invest time and money in starting all over again.

yes, there's two that for me at least are the two opposites. tracktion is something i expected much of, but ended up almost hating it. ext is something i didn't quite expect much of, but ended up loving it. some have it the other way around, and some even like both. it's a weird world ;)

As far as a synth is concerned, come on people - don't you have enough choice - for goodness sakes!

absolutely not! imho there's much room for seq:s that are designed with the primary objective being intuitivity and transparency. there are a couple, but as we already stated, there's people with different tastes. some will end up hating it and some will end up abandoning their present hosts in favor of the new one.

there's still so many muzys users and even more more muzys lovers that i'm pretty sure that muzys left a big gaping hole in our hearts and the ways we work when jo "disappeared" that could be re-filled with something that works like muzys

Flipper.

point: imho there's plenty of room for muzys' revenge ,)

point2: there's plenty of room for workflow-improvement. think what a basic host will "feel" and look like in, say, 20 years, and try to create it now.

i think in 20 years /even/ the big ones will feel quite a bit different. although they will drag the ball and chain of history after them just as they've done so far, but somehow they've managed to get the workflow almost up-to-date, as they do now, also.

not recommending this specificly to jo, but just try to imagine the future host and then creating it. mostly you will go wrong, but when you get it right, you will be rewarded. this is how all progress works; trial and error. but imho there's plenty of room for progress in the seq market. trial and error is the price but we have to just accept it. we shouldn't think that the "error" part is saturating the market, because it isn't.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:46 pm

HI

I can't comment on the Muzzy sequencer as I never used it - I still have some CM cd's with it on!

Perhaps ex Muzzy users are like ex Logic users - we want to see the features we liked (I was gonna say loved but that might be considered too strong a term!) in our old host replicated in new hosts.

I agree with the XT/Tracktion opinion - I have a similar experience - I so wished that Tracktion would make the Midi edit screen a full screen - I have recently been surprised at just how well XT is on the midi side of things - but the automation - I not like!!!

There we go - so many different likes/dislikes - I would not want to code the bloody thing!

ps - did mr muzzy write project 5 v2 then?
If he did I would say he is a bloody good coder and should get to work immediately!!!

Flipper.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:56 pm

moonlite wrote:
original flipper wrote:
As far as a synth is concerned, come on people - don't you have enough choice - for goodness sakes!

absolutely not! imho there's much room for seq:s that are designed with the primary objective being intuitivity and transparency. there are a couple, but as we already stated, there's people with different tastes. some will end up hating it and some will end up abandoning their present hosts in favor of the new one.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:07 pm

original flipper wrote: I have recently been surprised at just how well XT is on the midi side of things - but the automation - I not like!!!

Mr. Pace - in my office - NOW!!!

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:06 pm

original flipper wrote:As far as a synth is concerned, come on people - don't you have enough choice - for goodness sakes!

MuZynth was only partly a synth. It was more in the Crystal/WusikStation category except that it allowed you to map your samples yourself.

I actually think there's still room for this type of device. WusikStation nailed it to a large degree but it's PC only.

I still think there's a place for a synth/sampler/wave sequencer which is semi-modular (sort of like SynthEdit with structural restrictions), including many user-definable interface controls.

Caleb

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:12 pm

Caleb wrote:

MuZynth was only partly a synth. It was more in the Crystal/WusikStation category except that it allowed you to map your samples yourself.

btu the really great thing about Muzynth was how it was incorporated into Muzys - how I wish that eXT's sampler would work in such a way. Muzynth without Muzys would imo be like butter without bread...

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:57 pm

HI

What the hell was "MuzySynth"!!!

Details, screenshots, spec!!??

Flipper.

post-Muzys: Jo's three questions