KVR Audio

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:50 pm

declassified wrote:
woolyloach wrote:
did you post into the right thread? we aren't losing temper here as far as i can tell...

I was just getting on the "I hate everything equally" bandwagon! My bad!

Shuzhen · Post by **Shuzhen** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:43 am

You mustn't blame yourself wooly.

It's everyone elses fault.

z_old_account · Post by **z_old_account** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:29 am

the one thing i didnt like was someone wrote that it was refx's fault for putting demos up on their site, cause people can easily crack the demos open.

It makes me very sad and demotivates me a lot to read statemets like that.
Maybe we should discuss our copy protection scheme?

Consequences might be:
- stricter copy protectiones
- product activaion like winXP?
- more limited demos
- larger files
- higher prices
- no demos
- writing cryptic files somewhere on your harddisc
- more complicated installation
- legal issues

All negative.
I'm happy with none of these because it comes with disadvantages for honest customers.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:33 am

larger files, no/more limited demos, higher prices, etc. would probably be counter-productive.

I think product activation is the only effective way.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:05 am

btw shouldnt this be discussed in the reFX cat?

xmuzik · Post by **xmuzik** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:31 am

1 thing i've learned over the years is the last thing you try to do in electronic music especially that which was spawned by rave culture, is amongst the young don't try & have a rational conversation or threaten them in their natural habitat .............. it only ends in a flame war , closed threads , photoshoped anarchy, & nothing but hard feelings all the way around .......

i like DOA myself & i like KVR ....with that said WTF is up with orange vocoder 3 never being released by prosoniq ????

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:27 am

Nobody there admitted to using Vanguard for D'n'B...that struck me as odd - I would have thought it'd be right up their street for some of the thicker D'n'B sweeps and pads and basses. I wonder what they do use, out of curiosity?

Albino and it's newer version Albino 2 perhaps?

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:31 am

Lady J wrote:
Nobody there admitted to using Vanguard for D'n'B...that struck me as odd - I would have thought it'd be right up their street for some of the thicker D'n'B sweeps and pads and basses. I wonder what they do use, out of curiosity?
Albino and it's newer version Albino 2 perhaps?

half of them slap a sample of a "reese" from a song and throw distortion on it for bass. The other half uses reaktor or zeta.

xmuzik · Post by **xmuzik** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:27 pm

what is a reese ?

loomchild · Post by **loomchild** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:49 pm

xmuzik wrote:what is a reese ?

A distorted hooverish bass = almost any bass you can hear in modern DNB production

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:02 am

xmuzik wrote:what is a reese ?

the dirty/gritty distorted bass you here in darker DnB. Often people distort hoovers and turn them into a pretty cool hoover-reesey spawn.

The term reese (or reece, originally) was coined by them, but i have no idea what they got it from.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:10 am

Chase wrote:
xmuzik wrote:what is a reese ?
the dirty/gritty distorted bass you here in darker DnB. Often people distort hoovers and turn them into a pretty cool hoover-reesey spawn.

The term reese (or reece, originally) was coined by them, but i have no idea what they got it from.

Kevin Sanderson (aka Reese) is one of the 3 co-founders of Techno (along with Juan Atkins & Derrick May). He was the first to use the technique of distorting the "hoover" sound.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:13 am

woah loomchild was right then

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:58 am

The fun part is: KMS hardly ever used it, himself. It isn't his "signature sound" as such.

Groet, Erik

ugo · Post by **ugo** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:11 am

Markus from reFX (feilei) wrote:I'm happy with none of these because it comes with disadvantages for honest customers.

unfortunately, until someone (if ever) comes up with a protection method that cant be cracked, i dont see much point in tightening up security to a degree that it becomes a drag for honest users. the only people that ever actually have to face difficult copy protection schemes are legitimate users and the people that crack the software. warez users never see it. for them, installs are usually a breeze.

at the moment, there is apparently no way to stop the main crooks, and their followers who are content to use the product that "fell off the back of the truck" (to use an old line for stolen goods) will continue to do so. as a result, a developer will only make money from honest users, no matter if the protection scheme is easy or hard.

honestly, i think one of the better tools to convince people to do the right thing and buy software is this site. in addition to the strict no-warez policy here, they also get to see that the devs arent faceless entities but are real, nice, people that are just trying to make a living and provide the world with creative tools...and that they deserve to be paid for their work. for at least some people, its more difficult to continue to use a stolen product right in the face of the person it was stolen from.

of course hardcore warez users will always continue to be so, but i do think that the kvr environment can help sway fence sitters away from the dark side.

-ugo

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