aMUSEd: Dead Prez is one rare "alternative" rap of good quality, IMO.
The title of the album "Revolutionary But Gangsta" says a lot. Gangsta not (just) as criminal and all that, I guess it has a wider meaning, also as "cool" and such...
Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 880 posts since 22 Jan, 2005
advaya: I'm not trying to convince, really. But I would do like to show that there is (still) some quality in today's hip hop.
I, as I wrote in the first post, don't like a lot/most of hip hop.
I'll be back later.
I, as I wrote in the first post, don't like a lot/most of hip hop.
I'll be back later.
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- KVRian
- 759 posts since 22 Mar, 2002 from fi
imo there's still tonnes of good "alternative" (urgh) hiphop coming from labels / collectives like okayplayer, big dada, rhymesayers, stonesthrow, def jux, etcetc... i'm not that much into most of the hiphop stuff on the charts (jay-z is definitely one of the exceptions on that)
somehow i'm just beginning to think that anyone who doesn't like some genre either has serious prejudices or hasn't just heard enough music in that particular style... somehow when talking about country all there is is dolly parton and with hiphop it's 50 cent or whatever. dig deeper, you'll find something good eventually. or maybe start to appreciate stuff you didn't like before after realizing something. it really widens your perspective on things.
somehow i'm just beginning to think that anyone who doesn't like some genre either has serious prejudices or hasn't just heard enough music in that particular style... somehow when talking about country all there is is dolly parton and with hiphop it's 50 cent or whatever. dig deeper, you'll find something good eventually. or maybe start to appreciate stuff you didn't like before after realizing something. it really widens your perspective on things.
never stop loving music.
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- KVRAF
- 37508 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
too true - I used to think that was all there was to country - just wankers in cowboy hats getting all nostalgic over pathetic fantasies of a non-existant history. But there is plenty of good stuff if you give it time. This is true of all genres imho - 98% crap, 2% gold - hiphop is no different - all formulaic music tends towards dross - but with all music there are also individuals and bands that take it and make it something new and fresh and that has something to say.zion15 wrote:... somehow when talking about country all there is is dolly parton
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 17890 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
1. Stupid chipmonk voices.
2. Lame [and very repetitive] orchestral sample.
3. Poor drum sounds and lazy, boring programming.
4. Appalling English usage.
5. Virtually non-existant arrangement.
It would have been nice if this list was longer but when the whole song consists of only 5 sounds [including vox], there isn't a whole lot you can say aboutit. Basically its just one ultra-simple musical idea that isn't worth flogging for 4 minutes. It has absolutely no energy and not a single thing to maintain interest past about 30 seconds. My very first musical doodles in 1982 with a 303 and a 606 had way more going for it than this.
Same with most hip-hop, it has so little going for it musically that it can't possibly maintain my interest and the vocals are tired, dumb and largely meaningless to anyone brought up in the most affluent part of the greatest city in the world. [Just voted for the 8th time by some American survey.]
People used to review krap like Public Enemy and say how it radiated hate but to me it sounds completely soft-cock because it doesn't matter how hard you skream when you're doing it in the context of a nursery rhyme and your backing sounds like some casiotone preset on valium.
2. Lame [and very repetitive] orchestral sample.
3. Poor drum sounds and lazy, boring programming.
4. Appalling English usage.
5. Virtually non-existant arrangement.
It would have been nice if this list was longer but when the whole song consists of only 5 sounds [including vox], there isn't a whole lot you can say aboutit. Basically its just one ultra-simple musical idea that isn't worth flogging for 4 minutes. It has absolutely no energy and not a single thing to maintain interest past about 30 seconds. My very first musical doodles in 1982 with a 303 and a 606 had way more going for it than this.
Same with most hip-hop, it has so little going for it musically that it can't possibly maintain my interest and the vocals are tired, dumb and largely meaningless to anyone brought up in the most affluent part of the greatest city in the world. [Just voted for the 8th time by some American survey.]
People used to review krap like Public Enemy and say how it radiated hate but to me it sounds completely soft-cock because it doesn't matter how hard you skream when you're doing it in the context of a nursery rhyme and your backing sounds like some casiotone preset on valium.
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- KVRist
- 462 posts since 30 Nov, 2003
Hip hop sucks nowadays. They all look and sound the same. And what annoys me more than the artists is how it's affected the people. If I go for a walk around here I always see at least 20 guys wearing the same kind of clothing, the same kind of attitude, etc... I know personally something like 100 guys who listen to nothing other than hip hop and mimic their gestures and manners in a way that's just sickening. It's cool to be a f**king clown now. I'm pretty sure hip hop's become today's equivalent to 80's hair metal. It's all about style and everybody happens to have the same style. Who cares about the music?! We only care about the bling bling!
There are exceptions, though... Outkast are pretty cool. Eminem has his moments. The Neptunes make good music(if you ignore the artists they're producing for). Some underground stuff I heard is nice...
And, of course, the only hip hop artists who have always been in a class all their own and the only ones I really love: The Beastie Boys
The old stuff was definitely better. The arrangements were more simplistic but they were usually more powerful and inventive and the rappers were more interesting too. Back then it was all about entertaining, often with funny, original lyrics. They were there to make the audience enjoy the music. Now the rappers are all about drawing attention to themselves. They aren't there to make music enjoyable, the music is there to make THEM enjoyable. I just hope hip hop goes unfashionable fast...
There are exceptions, though... Outkast are pretty cool. Eminem has his moments. The Neptunes make good music(if you ignore the artists they're producing for). Some underground stuff I heard is nice...
And, of course, the only hip hop artists who have always been in a class all their own and the only ones I really love: The Beastie Boys
The old stuff was definitely better. The arrangements were more simplistic but they were usually more powerful and inventive and the rappers were more interesting too. Back then it was all about entertaining, often with funny, original lyrics. They were there to make the audience enjoy the music. Now the rappers are all about drawing attention to themselves. They aren't there to make music enjoyable, the music is there to make THEM enjoyable. I just hope hip hop goes unfashionable fast...
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- KVRian
- 759 posts since 22 Mar, 2002 from fi
aMUSEd, i couldn't have put it better myself.
in the end, it's just like duke ellington (rumoredly) said: "there's just two kinds of music: good music and the other kind"
the fact is that every person is put off by some things and practically everyone has some sort of prejudices. the trick is just to try to get over them. if you don't like something, it doesn't matter, maybe you'll like it later or maybe you won't like it at all... but it's no use generalizing like "i don't like this tune by this artist, therefore i won't even bother checking out any other tunes by this artist nor any other artists in this genre. ever."
in the end, it's just like duke ellington (rumoredly) said: "there's just two kinds of music: good music and the other kind"
the fact is that every person is put off by some things and practically everyone has some sort of prejudices. the trick is just to try to get over them. if you don't like something, it doesn't matter, maybe you'll like it later or maybe you won't like it at all... but it's no use generalizing like "i don't like this tune by this artist, therefore i won't even bother checking out any other tunes by this artist nor any other artists in this genre. ever."
never stop loving music.
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- KVRAF
- 5521 posts since 6 May, 2002
MinstrelsyKatanaman wrote:Hip hop sucks nowadays. They all look and sound the same. And what annoys me more than the artists is how it's affected the people. If I go for a walk around here I always see at least 20 guys wearing the same kind of clothing, the same kind of attitude, etc... I know personally something like 100 guys who listen to nothing other than hip hop and mimic their gestures and manners in a way that's just sickening. It's cool to be a f**king clown now. Now the rappers are all about drawing attention to themselves. They aren't there to make music enjoyable, the music is there to make THEM enjoyable.
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- KVRian
- 1181 posts since 6 Jun, 2002 from Southern Germany
to a certain degree i like rap/hiphop. I like the princip of the harmonical lysis und the power of the rhythm...BUT... I can't listen longer than 30-60 seconds. then it gets boring and if you even listen longer it gets enerving. it's like a bass or a drum solo....wonderful...but please not too long!
rap as a replacement for singing? no way. but as a contribution to a song to give it dirt & power....yes!
rap as a replacement for singing? no way. but as a contribution to a song to give it dirt & power....yes!
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- KVRian
- 759 posts since 22 Mar, 2002 from fi
BONES, do remember that you haven't heard all hiphop in the world - probably not even a small fraction of it considering your comments. besides, 5 sounds is one more than a standard rock trio has, haha.
katanaman, my advice: explore more. listen to stuff like common if you're into smooth beats and conscious lyrics, el-p or cannibal ox if you want something that sounds out of this world, anything produced by madlib if you're into the beats. keep looking. and those guys might be idiots stuck to what they see, not what they hear.
i'm not saying you should like hiphop. i'm just saying that you might like (or even totally love) some of it if you just kept looking.
katanaman, my advice: explore more. listen to stuff like common if you're into smooth beats and conscious lyrics, el-p or cannibal ox if you want something that sounds out of this world, anything produced by madlib if you're into the beats. keep looking. and those guys might be idiots stuck to what they see, not what they hear.
i'm not saying you should like hiphop. i'm just saying that you might like (or even totally love) some of it if you just kept looking.
never stop loving music.
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- KVRAF
- 2321 posts since 23 Mar, 2004 from Two lower than LS6
right ho' heres my 50 cents worth of verbage.
IMHmotherfuckingO, the problem people have with (wit? wid?) rap is that it is everywhere - it is the modern sound of pop and if its not rap/hiphop itself, nearly all mainstream pop acts have a kinda rap/hiphop edge attached to them, whether its the faux-funky beats or the obligatory black guy rapping in a boy band. The same way that boy bands have a young looking one and a hard and scary looking one as well.
If you base your entire opinion of rap on the stuff thats in the charts, you might as well f**k off all music cause you just dont have a clue.
It means that if your knowledge of rap extends as far as eminem, the game and 50 cent, then your rock bands are limp bizcuit and keane, your jazz vocalists are norah jones and that irriating twat whose name i cant remember, and all dance records are made by posh rich DJs.
Oh and that Radiohead invented experimental music
and that all classical composers are dead.
rap/hiphop has come a hell of a long way since it was kids in the bronx spinning breaks back-to-back. Its now a multi-million dollar corporate enterprise, and it the most popular form of music in the USA, having recently overtaken country and rock (whatever the f**k those two labels mean). Its here then and everywhere - you can eat drink and breath in hiphop - its so ingraned (and you, of course, due to the corporate whores, can do this literally as well).
But hark?? is that the sounds of coroprate rock, blues, metal and dance sucking satans cock in the corner? why yes it is!!!
I dont know that much about rap/hiphop, but I do like what I know.
Check out Double D & Steinski, Why? DoseOne, Odds Nosdram, The Pedestrian, Mr Lif, DJ, Mr Len, MF Doom, N*E*R*D, El-P, Soap Kills, Company Flow, The Cut Chemist, DJ Shadow, DJ Q-Bert, DJ Pogo, Jhest, Eric B & Rakeim, Kool Herc, NWA
for some good tunes, good lyrics, and great funky dancing.
Its out there - just dont let yourself be f**ked in the mouth satans corporate cock
IMHmotherfuckingO, the problem people have with (wit? wid?) rap is that it is everywhere - it is the modern sound of pop and if its not rap/hiphop itself, nearly all mainstream pop acts have a kinda rap/hiphop edge attached to them, whether its the faux-funky beats or the obligatory black guy rapping in a boy band. The same way that boy bands have a young looking one and a hard and scary looking one as well.
If you base your entire opinion of rap on the stuff thats in the charts, you might as well f**k off all music cause you just dont have a clue.
It means that if your knowledge of rap extends as far as eminem, the game and 50 cent, then your rock bands are limp bizcuit and keane, your jazz vocalists are norah jones and that irriating twat whose name i cant remember, and all dance records are made by posh rich DJs.
Oh and that Radiohead invented experimental music
and that all classical composers are dead.rap/hiphop has come a hell of a long way since it was kids in the bronx spinning breaks back-to-back. Its now a multi-million dollar corporate enterprise, and it the most popular form of music in the USA, having recently overtaken country and rock (whatever the f**k those two labels mean). Its here then and everywhere - you can eat drink and breath in hiphop - its so ingraned (and you, of course, due to the corporate whores, can do this literally as well).
But hark?? is that the sounds of coroprate rock, blues, metal and dance sucking satans cock in the corner? why yes it is!!!
I dont know that much about rap/hiphop, but I do like what I know.
Check out Double D & Steinski, Why? DoseOne, Odds Nosdram, The Pedestrian, Mr Lif, DJ, Mr Len, MF Doom, N*E*R*D, El-P, Soap Kills, Company Flow, The Cut Chemist, DJ Shadow, DJ Q-Bert, DJ Pogo, Jhest, Eric B & Rakeim, Kool Herc, NWA
for some good tunes, good lyrics, and great funky dancing.
Its out there - just dont let yourself be f**ked in the mouth satans corporate cock
Phil
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- KVRAF
- 2028 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from New York, N.Y.
I hate rap because:
- Devoid of melody or chord progressions. It subtracts the two most important elements of music.
- Much of it is really just karaoke.
- Many rap songs lyrics talk about wanting to kill me (white people).
- Much of it talks about killing me over samples of my favorite Zeppelin, P-Funk, Motown tunes, while being devoid of melody and chord progressions.
- Devoid of melody or chord progressions. It subtracts the two most important elements of music.
- Much of it is really just karaoke.
- Many rap songs lyrics talk about wanting to kill me (white people).
- Much of it talks about killing me over samples of my favorite Zeppelin, P-Funk, Motown tunes, while being devoid of melody and chord progressions.
