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z15 · Post by **z15** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:35 pm

jplanet, have you checked out the roots' stuff (not necessarily the two newest albums), blackalicious or strange fruit project for example?

ejr · Post by **ejr** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:36 pm

This is the most interesting thread for a bit....
I dont like rap cos I'm 48 white and middle class and it's not aimed at me and also if you look how long genres in popular music were really popular with teenagers for before things 'moved on'
rock'n'roll 56-59
beat groups 62-66
psychedelia 66-69
prog 69-76
glam 72-74
punk 76-79
rap 79----------2005 etc
Its been big for too long. Teenage kids are listening to the same crap as their parents/wearing the same clothes/getting similar tattoos which goes against everything being a teenager should stand for.
And before I get corrected I know country/metal artists have been selling product for decades but I mean mass teen popularity that filled album charts.
I also realise 'teenager' is an invention of post war western consumer affluence.
All I have to do now is find a replacement for rap and make some real money...
any of you kids fancy a Big Band revival???

z15 · Post by **z15** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:38 pm

ejr, mind you, rock is prog is glam is punk is metal is numetal in the same way as '79 hiphop is '05 hiphop.

Dunbar · Post by **Dunbar** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:39 pm

ejr - I think Duke Ellington is due for a dust down

How about a Blue Pepper cover?

jsd · Post by **jsd** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:41 pm

i loved rap music in the late 80s/early 90s but somewhere around 92 it all started to go wrong. for me, the pinnacle was when public enemy were creating these amazingly detailed sample collages. the music was like the sound of raw urban chaos and chuck & flav's lyrics were powerful commentary on what was going on with america. now it's all just bitches n hos and stupid boring 2 sound arrangements. the energy and politics are gone, replaced with vapid nothingness. it doesn't do anything for me at all.

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John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:47 pm

jsd wrote:i loved rap music in the late 80s/early 90s but somewhere around 92 it all started to go wrong. for me, the pinnacle was when public enemy were creating these amazingly detailed sample collages. the music was like the sound of raw urban chaos and chuck & flav's lyrics were powerful commentary on what was going on with america. now it's all just bitches n hos and stupid boring 2 sound arrangements. the energy and politics are gone, replaced with vapid nothingness. it doesn't do anything for me at all.

Yeah, I agree... the major irony is that the current world climate is ripe for politicaly explosive commentary, from the genre, and... where the f**k is it???

z15 · Post by **z15** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:48 pm

somehow i get the feeling you're all still talking about the hiphop people see and hear on the charts. it's still the mostly boring minority of all the stuff that's been produced today, like with any genre.

jsd, if it's politics and fire you want, better check out something like immortal technique's revolutionary vol 2 (from 2003)... for amazing sample collages you could go worse than madlib's and rjd2's productions for example. those are just from the top of my mind.

johnvulich, pop music is about pleasing as many people as possible and promoting the stuff that is bound to do so. politics sells less than the so called gangsta shit, freaky hoes and fast cars. for the "message" you better look for so called independent artists.

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:49 pm

jsd wrote:i loved rap music in the late 80s/early 90s but somewhere around 92 it all started to go wrong. for me, the pinnacle was when public enemy were creating these amazingly detailed sample collages. the music was like the sound of raw urban chaos and chuck & flav's lyrics were powerful commentary on what was going on with america. now it's all just bitches n hos and stupid boring 2 sound arrangements. the energy and politics are gone, replaced with vapid nothingness. it doesn't do anything for me at all.

So the lyrics to "Sophisticated Bitch" and "She Watches Channel Zero" are a powerful commentary??

Just messing, the lyrics for Fear of a Black Planet are poetry in motion

Since about '92 with the rise in corporate mainstream hiphop its just a bit harder to get at the good stuff.

A lets face it all rappers talk about is bitches and hos??

hmmm...

whole lotta love, whole, lotta rose, girls girls girls, love in an elevator, moanin' after midnight, just cant get enough...

God, you would think that they have these three minute soap boxes but just want to tell you all how big their cock is...

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:52 pm

Jonny X wrote:Dizzee (before the second album...)

Give Showtime a chance and you will like it. Indeed it is nowhere near as astonishing as Boy in da corner, but it is a good record - even if the lyrics are more conventional (seems to have swapped the dope for coke). One of the songs sounds like someone rapping over autechre!!

Bluezplayer_AJ · Post by **Bluezplayer_AJ** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:01 pm

zion15 wrote:ejr, mind you, rock is prog is glam is punk is metal is numetal in the same way as '79 hiphop is '05 hiphop.

Really ? Is 79 hip hop that different from today's version, or maybe the 80's style ? I'm not trying to be a wise ass here, simply asking since I'm not educated enough about it because hip hop does nothing for me, for most of the same reasons that ejr and jplanet stated. I'm a 44 yr old white male btw, ( well mostly white I guess.. I am kinda dark..lol ).

Still, I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone might believe that the Sex Pistols would be similar to Keyboard driven Progressive acts like Yes or ELP, or either of those similar to bands like Metallica. All have their place, though I'm not a huge fan of much of the punk genres. Maybe it's that way with old hip hop and today's versions ?

Guess I've always been rock, blues and somewhat jazz oriented, and nothing of the little I've heard and actually tried to dissect from hip hop will likely ever change that. I even like some modern rock, though again I fail to see any connection between a group like Pink Floyd for instance, and Alice in Chains and their lovely if not very dark vocal harmonies on their more acoustic works

My prejudices are the same.. but for me the worst being that I don't wanna hear a well thought out Led Zeppelin / Motown tune defaced by some foul mouthed person who probably couldn't play an instrument if his life depended on it, much less come up with a couple of his own chord progressions or melodies.

AJ

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:08 pm

Bluezplayer_AJ wrote:Really ? Is 79 hip hop that different from today's version, or maybe the 80's style ? I'm not trying to be a wise ass here, simply asking since I'm not educated enough about it because hip hop does nothing for me, for most of the same reasons that ejr and jplanet stated. I'm a 44 yr old white male btw, ( well mostly white I guess.. I am kinda dark..lol ).

er, yeah.

Compare "Rappers Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang to "I Luv You" by Dizzee Rascal

If you are white, why are you listeng to motown, blues, rock and jazz???

not a jibe, just a funny defence, is all (same for ejr)

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:19 pm

JohnVulich wrote:
jsd wrote:i loved rap music in the late 80s/early 90s but somewhere around 92 it all started to go wrong. for me, the pinnacle was when public enemy were creating these amazingly detailed sample collages. the music was like the sound of raw urban chaos and chuck & flav's lyrics were powerful commentary on what was going on with america. now it's all just bitches n hos and stupid boring 2 sound arrangements. the energy and politics are gone, replaced with vapid nothingness. it doesn't do anything for me at all.
Yeah, I agree... the major irony is that the current world climate is ripe for politicaly explosive commentary, from the genre, and... where the f**k is it???

.. IMHO the real irony is that, while rappers in USA are rapping about bling bling, $$, bitches'n'ho's, some parts of the world are rapping about US opression and raping of the planet..

- anonymous

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:31 pm

JohnVulich wrote: Yeah, I agree... the major irony is that the current world climate is ripe for politicaly explosive commentary, from the genre, and... where the f**k is it???

Have a listen to some Immortal Technique, not all of it is that well produced, very underground repetitive beats etc. - but the lyrics are highly politically charged.
If Immortals lyrics were pants I would have never given his stuff a second listen, but he comes out with a few gems.
http://www.viperrecords.com/imtech/bio.shtml
Not a multi-platinum selling artist, check him out - I blast his stuff sometimes just to offend the neighbours

nocompromise · Post by **nocompromise** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:37 pm

bmanic wrote: .. IMHO the real irony is that, while rappers in USA are rapping about bling bling, $$, bitches'n'ho's, some parts of the world are rapping about US opression and raping of the planet..
- anonymous

here here

Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?