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DeAFone · Post by **DeAFone** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:15 am

how do you get that flanged / phazed type of vocal in cher's I believe in life after love???? it only comes in from time to time and kinda phazes in and out..... I have a female Im going to be working with and would like to get that sound for one of our songs.. I record through joe meek compressor through pro tools digi 001 and have a fair amount of plug ins.. can you help?

dharmawan · Post by **dharmawan** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:20 am

do you mean the autotune? dont..... please...

DeAFone · Post by **DeAFone** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:28 am

Im not sure...... I went to some dude's house out in San Jose and he was tryin ta trade me some shit and he said he had an effect that made a vocal sound like the one in that song in that song... ever since I've been curous about it?

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:15 am

Nooo!
Please not that again!

Next question is probably: "What is the best TB303 emulation" ...

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JackDark · Post by **JackDark** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:59 pm

God help us all...

chance11 · Post by **chance11** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:53 pm

It's an AT-1 set on fast

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:52 am

I believe it was a lot of hand editing involved, it wasn't 'instant magic' to get that effect with her voice. No, it wasn't AutoTune either, although you can pull of something like it with AutoTune. One of the major magazines had an article in it that's published on the web that told how he did it. Probably a few minutes with Google will bring it up.

Devon

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:32 am

Maybe he had used something else.

But in fact you can do that with AutoTune on the fly and some tweakin. Even play in as notes directly.

So you don't need to buy 10 000 dollars equipment. And you also don't need to read brunches of contradictionary stories all around to achieve that effect.

Probably that's now all about the "Cher pitch shifting myth".

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Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:37 am

From what I remember the story was the original engineer/producer/whoever said he did it with the vocodor in the Nord Lead. Then...a few months later he admitted in a different interview that was in fact Autotune. He was probably just trying to protect the fact that Autotune was used on Cher's voice, i.e. the question that asks: "if she's such a great singer, then why'd you put Autotune on her voice at all to even discover the neat little side effect?"

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:42 am

I never did believe the "Vocoder Story". I usually trust my ears.
And I know, how a vocoder sounds.

But there may be also some hardware, which actually can do that. I.e. the Yamaha VH board.

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cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:43 am

Funkybot wrote:From what I remember the story was the original engineer/producer/whoever said he did it with the vocodor in the Nord Lead. Then...a few months later he admitted in a different interview that was in fact Autotune. He was probably just trying to protect the fact that Autotune was used on Cher's voice, i.e. the question that asks: "if she's such a great singer, then why'd you put Autotune on her voice at all to even discover the neat little side effect?"

Possibly true, but I suspect that the producer simply didn't want to reveal the secret behind the sound. I can think of plenty of rock bands who put sheets of cloth/masking tape etc over their effects pedals when playing live. He was probably the most in demand guy in the business for the 5 days before everyone else figured it out.

blümchen · Post by **blümchen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:48 am

cron wrote:
Funkybot wrote:From what I remember the story was the original engineer/producer/whoever said he did it with the vocodor in the Nord Lead. Then...a few months later he admitted in a different interview that was in fact Autotune. He was probably just trying to protect the fact that Autotune was used on Cher's voice, i.e. the question that asks: "if she's such a great singer, then why'd you put Autotune on her voice at all to even discover the neat little side effect?"
Possibly true, but I suspect that the producer simply didn't want to reveal the secret behind the sound. He was probably the most in demand guy in the business for the 5 days before everyone else figured it out.

Sorry, but there were surely some others earlier doing that with vocals. I can remenber to have listened to that effect long time before. Even with commercial productions (dance scene).

But obviously nobody of them had such a popular a hit with that.

By the way, it was for sure not that effect, which made the hit...

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cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:51 am

Granted, it was indeed a strong pop song regardless of 'that' effect.

Perhaps the eurocheese guys and girls had picked up on this before Cher. Still, I do think the effect was new/'cutting edge' enough for the producer to want to keep it secret. Especially from eager home musicians in a widely distributed music tech mag.

gnu23 · Post by **gnu23** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:52 am

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb99/a ... cks661.htm

Much discussed on KVR. A local search picked this up pretty quickly. The SoS article is quite detailed.

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