KVR Audio

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:48 pm

yeah, looping & mangling audio is one thing that live is excellent at.

deaneager · Post by **deaneager** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:53 pm

I decided a couple of years ago to get into PC based music production and bought Cakewalk Home Studio, it made no sense to me. A mate suggested I try FLstudio and straight away I was able to start producing music (and have been able to do everything I've been able to imagine since). Because I DJ regularly I was curious about Live, so I downloaded the v4 demo a couple of months back, watched some tutorial vids, but couldn't get started. So FL works for me, purely because of it's logical workflow (and I don't like the idea of DJ'ing with a laptop anyway).

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:54 pm

rogermullard wrote:Im considering purchasing one of the two. Which is better $$$££ wise? Ableton or Fruity??

Either could be considered "the best value in audio software" but it depends on your preferences, and how
you want to work, all choices that you can only make for yourself.

You should demo both of them, as well as Orion, before you actually decide.

davidlinn · Post by **davidlinn** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:56 pm

Until recently I had the latest versions of both FL 5 and Live installed. Realizing that I just never used Live anymore (despite it's virtues and value as a program) I uninstalled it- just no time to invest in two separate hosts. But if you have the time, work with both. You'll be doubly happy!

David

www.davidlinn.com

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:58 pm

im the opposite of davidlinn ...

... horses for courses ...

slainte

rob

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:36 pm

Chase wrote:my vote goes to fruity, but i wouldnt blindly recommend it to someone. Try both out.

Seconded. In fact, I recently quit using FL Studio in favor of P5V2, although in both cases I use it in conjunction with Sonar.

Doug

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:59 am

I just tried out demos this week for Live, Fruity, and Orion. Fruity is one of those apps I've tried the demo at least once a year since it first came out (many moons ago). It's amazing how much it can do now, it is always fun at first to use, but working with it quickly starts to annoy me. Just feels like as new stuff was added older stuff wasn't updated to work better with it, resulted in to many hidden away pieces.

Orion feels a lot like Fruity to me, except it bores me mostly, but for some great synths and effects (that bandfx thing is excellent). I can see why some folk love it, I'm just plainly not one of them.

That 'lots of stuff packed in to a cluttered workspace' vibe just isn't my thing, FL and Orion combined.

Live, on the other hand, has never done anything for me. I've tried out every version since v2, never my thing. Except I'm trying out the latest beta for v5, and it's the first time I've liked how it worked. Really liked it. Still won't buy it, as I'm trying to buy less software and to donate to freeware devs more often. But I'm starting to get it, especially the sample handling. Arrangement mode feels inelegant to me, and I kind of wish the 'live' concept had extended better to it.

Both Live and FL are very different. Live feels more flexible on the surface, but Fruity has a lot of bits and pieces hidden away that are fantastic. Fruity probably gives the more bang for buck, as you could easily use it and nothing else and make great music. That might also apply to Live, but it has less sound generators than FL, and no Buzz wrapper, and can't run as a VST, etc. Doesn't mean Fruity's better, just you'll get an awful lot for your money.

Don't take my opinion for much, but since we were in roughly the same position this week, figured I'd offer it up. Try the v5 beta of Live (available to the public for 4 more days at their forum) and demo FL, like others say, that's the only way to know.

Cheers,
Steve

origami · Post by **origami** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:11 am

the best is the one that suits your way of working and even of thinking better. however, objectively, FL is much cheaper than Live, that's a fact. But once you discover a program you feel comfortable with then you'll forget how much it cost you, I guess.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:24 am

I can't get into Fruity's interface, but I've heard people say the same about Live. I think with either you won't know till you try them which is right for you. Maybe neither

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:25 am

I prefer Live but both are very good programs. It depends on your taste and needs. Tracktion, IMO, is also another cool program that's worth looking into.

Hypertone · Post by **Hypertone** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:20 am

I am in love with Live. It has everything I need and nothing I don't. I don't even use the "live" features, I use it as a multitrack recorder/sequencer. It is the most logically designed sequencer imo, I can work so quickly. I had to use Cubase the other day, what bloated piece of shit that is!! But it's all personal preference. Try the demos, don't take somebody else's word for it.

adds2one · Post by **adds2one** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:10 am

I agree with Hypertone. There is nothing that I can work faster in. I used Cakewalk(and then Sonar) for a year, Cubase SX for over a year, and I still do some work in energyXT but my workflow is BY FAR the fastest in Live. And I am just talking about using it as a multitrack recorder/sequencer for audio and midi, on top of which are it's audio warping and live features! IMHO Live is the most easy package to learn with it's mouse over information in the lower left corner to guide you as you start, plus the tutorials on the Ableton site are highly reccomended. They give you a lot of info about powerful stuff and work flow you may not have thought of. Still, at the end of the day it is best to work in whatever is best for you!

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:28 am

adds2one wrote:I agree with Hypertone. There is nothing that I can work faster in. I used Cakewalk(and then Sonar) for a year, Cubase SX for over a year, and I still do some work in energyXT but my workflow is BY FAR the fastest in Live. And I am just talking about using it as a multitrack recorder/sequencer for audio and midi, on top of which are it's audio warping and live features! IMHO Live is the most easy package to learn with it's mouse over information in the lower left corner to guide you as you start, plus the tutorials on the Ableton site are highly reccomended. They give you a lot of info about powerful stuff and work flow you may not have thought of. Still, at the end of the day it is best to work in whatever is best for you!

to me, it works how I expect it to work and I'm seldom finding myself wishing they had done something another way like in other hosts I've used. It feels organinc to me and everything is immediate.

Yeah I feel exactly the same way, and I'd lik eto add that Live feels natural

Battleguard · Post by **Battleguard** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:04 am

I haven't used Live, but I've used Fruity and Cubase and Sonar and tried to put my heart into all.. but I always find myself going back to fruity for a song starter.. and a lot of times end up makin it in there too..

Battleguard

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:28 am

I prefer P5 V2 - above both of those for midi composition.
Live is the shit for raw audio work though

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Ableton or Fruity - Which is better?