wow...xoxos, i really hope what you said there was some sort of joke. (and a very bad one at that.)
-ugo
Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?
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- KVRist
- 445 posts since 24 Apr, 2005
I'm not ever going to use your VST's. Even if you are being sarcastic, you're still coming across as a total prick.xoxos wrote:i dont like hiphop because it is a genre founded by those people who were only ever on 70's british television with bones thru their noses saying intelligent things like "booga booga!" and chucking spears at things. i know any music i make is going to be intellectually superior, especially if i use theory, which those people of course dont have ha ha can you imagine them with their booga, hiphop is for some dumb people.
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
oh ya? well IM never gonna use YOUR VST's!the_nihilist wrote:I'm not ever going to use your VST's. Even if you are being sarcastic, you're still coming across as a total prick.xoxos wrote:i dont like hiphop because it is a genre founded by those people who were only ever on 70's british television with bones thru their noses saying intelligent things like "booga booga!" and chucking spears at things. i know any music i make is going to be intellectually superior, especially if i use theory, which those people of course dont have ha ha can you imagine them with their booga, hiphop is for some dumb people.
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- KVRAF
- 6596 posts since 21 Jun, 2004 from Secret Underground Hideout
deastman wrote:really don't have time to read the entire thing
deastman wrote:I hate most rap/hiphop, for the same reasons most people here have already stated
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- KVRAF
- 6496 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from Frederick, MD
Someone once called hiphop the great age divider. Rock pretty much apeals to some element of every age group under the age of 70. But hiphop is where most old folks hiphop off.
Why that might or might not be correct is debatable, but as a younger member of the Baby Boomers, I can list my reasons for not liking rap/hiphop:
1) Beat. There's nothing wrong with a good groove, but I find the beats in rap and hip/hop *typically* (assume that word in front of all generalities to come, because I'm sure there are a few exceptions to them all) to be trite, canned, boring and exceedingly repetitious. They serve as nothing more than a backdrop to the vocals, something to fill up the space in-between the shouting. The best beats in both forms are in the vocals, and here at least there is innovation and actually artistry. Some of the wordcrafting going on and the rhythm/rhyme schemes are quite clever. But not enough to redeem the form. And they have so oft been repeated that they have pretty much become formulaic (see below).
2) Bass. Pump the bass. OK, again, there's nothing wrong with bass but, and I'll quote a highly talented bass player friend of mine at who's studio I was recently sitting in on a recording session: "I get a bunch of these rappers coming in here insisting I put f**king infantile bass lines on everything." I mean for a music that loves bass so much to have a really, really, really talented bass player label their base lines as "infantile" there's got to be something going on.
3) Chant. Both rap and hip/hop essentially are beat and chant. There is very little actual singing in it. It's poetry, not music. What's wrong with that? Well, there's nothing essentially wrong with poetry in music, Joni Mitchell and a bunch of other have been said to have done the same but at least they sang the poems along with accompanying music. Well, can you really call what Dylan did singing? Pfft, who cares, I hated his stuff as much as I do rap/hiphop! But what do we get in rap/hiphop? Basically its poetry that's shouted at you. As I said in 1, some of the meter and rhyme schemes are pretty clever, but enough of the shouting. M'kay?
4) Content. Ok, so you've got poetry without singing. But what's the content of this poetry? To a large extent it boils down to "I'm the greatest thing ever." "You're shit." "I've got more stuff and more chicks than you'll ever have." "I'll f**king kill you if you even look at me, my stuff or my chicks." "If you're a chick, you really want to f**k me." Throw in a sprinkling of "Actually women are a bunch of worthless bitches" and a lot of "motherf**ker" and you've pretty much covered the bases. Translate all this into animal terms and it boils down to one simple thing: It's a mating call. The strutting members of any rap/hiphop ensemble are basically fluffing up their feathers and dancing around in a mating ritual. It probably works for them, Lord knows I've never been able to get much result from rapping.
Actually, the content of some of the early rappers like Public Enemy are much more political and relevant to the artists' lives and social conditions. That's understandable. It's also understandable that their music shut me out because I don't share the culture or social upbringing they had. It shut me out but I applaud their work. It was disturbing to a lot of people but it was real and it was art. Now the content has been reduced to what sells to middle and upper middle class white kids who have no other music that suits there desire to rebel against their parents and "the establishment." Of course hiphop is now firmly part of that establishment but they won't know that until they stop equating their parents with the powers-that-be.
5) Formula. How many decades must we hear the same beats, the same rhyme schemes, infantile bass lines and angry territorial lyrical content before we decide to just move on? Really, this stuff has been around since the early 80's. Synth pop is in a revival phase but this stuff just never went away.
6) When white Ukrainian acts are entering hiphop into Europop competitions . . . it's OLD. Time for something else.
Why that might or might not be correct is debatable, but as a younger member of the Baby Boomers, I can list my reasons for not liking rap/hiphop:
1) Beat. There's nothing wrong with a good groove, but I find the beats in rap and hip/hop *typically* (assume that word in front of all generalities to come, because I'm sure there are a few exceptions to them all) to be trite, canned, boring and exceedingly repetitious. They serve as nothing more than a backdrop to the vocals, something to fill up the space in-between the shouting. The best beats in both forms are in the vocals, and here at least there is innovation and actually artistry. Some of the wordcrafting going on and the rhythm/rhyme schemes are quite clever. But not enough to redeem the form. And they have so oft been repeated that they have pretty much become formulaic (see below).
2) Bass. Pump the bass. OK, again, there's nothing wrong with bass but, and I'll quote a highly talented bass player friend of mine at who's studio I was recently sitting in on a recording session: "I get a bunch of these rappers coming in here insisting I put f**king infantile bass lines on everything." I mean for a music that loves bass so much to have a really, really, really talented bass player label their base lines as "infantile" there's got to be something going on.
3) Chant. Both rap and hip/hop essentially are beat and chant. There is very little actual singing in it. It's poetry, not music. What's wrong with that? Well, there's nothing essentially wrong with poetry in music, Joni Mitchell and a bunch of other have been said to have done the same but at least they sang the poems along with accompanying music. Well, can you really call what Dylan did singing? Pfft, who cares, I hated his stuff as much as I do rap/hiphop! But what do we get in rap/hiphop? Basically its poetry that's shouted at you. As I said in 1, some of the meter and rhyme schemes are pretty clever, but enough of the shouting. M'kay?
4) Content. Ok, so you've got poetry without singing. But what's the content of this poetry? To a large extent it boils down to "I'm the greatest thing ever." "You're shit." "I've got more stuff and more chicks than you'll ever have." "I'll f**king kill you if you even look at me, my stuff or my chicks." "If you're a chick, you really want to f**k me." Throw in a sprinkling of "Actually women are a bunch of worthless bitches" and a lot of "motherf**ker" and you've pretty much covered the bases. Translate all this into animal terms and it boils down to one simple thing: It's a mating call. The strutting members of any rap/hiphop ensemble are basically fluffing up their feathers and dancing around in a mating ritual. It probably works for them, Lord knows I've never been able to get much result from rapping.
Actually, the content of some of the early rappers like Public Enemy are much more political and relevant to the artists' lives and social conditions. That's understandable. It's also understandable that their music shut me out because I don't share the culture or social upbringing they had. It shut me out but I applaud their work. It was disturbing to a lot of people but it was real and it was art. Now the content has been reduced to what sells to middle and upper middle class white kids who have no other music that suits there desire to rebel against their parents and "the establishment." Of course hiphop is now firmly part of that establishment but they won't know that until they stop equating their parents with the powers-that-be.
5) Formula. How many decades must we hear the same beats, the same rhyme schemes, infantile bass lines and angry territorial lyrical content before we decide to just move on? Really, this stuff has been around since the early 80's. Synth pop is in a revival phase but this stuff just never went away.
6) When white Ukrainian acts are entering hiphop into Europop competitions . . . it's OLD. Time for something else.
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Left Headphone Left Headphone https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19118
- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
Dude are F%$#ing serious... Man, I hope not...xoxos wrote:i dont like hiphop because it is a genre founded by those people who were only ever on 70's british television with bones thru their noses saying intelligent things like "booga booga!" and chucking spears at things. i know any music i make is going to be intellectually superior, especially if i use theory, which those people of course dont have ha ha can you imagine them with their booga, hiphop is for some dumb people.
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- DC TC
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
Left Headphone wrote:Dude are F%$#ing serious... Man, I hope not...xoxos wrote:i dont like hiphop because it is a genre founded by those people who were only ever on 70's british television with bones thru their noses saying intelligent things like "booga booga!" and chucking spears at things. i know any music i make is going to be intellectually superior, especially if i use theory, which those people of course dont have ha ha can you imagine them with their booga, hiphop is for some dumb people.
dude... not only does xoxos appreciate hiphop he also produced some great hiphop tunes with his buddies. right now, he's working on a auto hiphop generating plugin. i almost shat my pants when i read his post. "booga booga!!!". i'm turkish and i sure would laugh if they called me a fuckin european mongolian who rides camels. and i haven't even seen a real camel in my life! that's it, that's exactly it. i remember making some people believe that there's camel ride-thru mcdonald's in turkey. i think the only thing missing between xoxos and the rest is mutual understanding. you know him, you know his style. people should learn by now. of course, it doesn't help that xoxos says stuff like this out of the blue. i'm sure most of you won't find it funny, but in some sad way it truly is.
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- KVRist
- 162 posts since 15 Apr, 2003 from new zealand
many of the long "well thought out" (possibly, in the opinion of the poster) posts in this thread are downright embarassing. they come across as very blinkered or just plain stupid, or misdirected at hiphop when the points they make could easily be applied to all genres of popular music. but then i guess that's what this thread was started for.
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- KVRist
- 378 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Victoria BC
I hate hip-hop because it's retarded. The beats suck ass, there is no melodic content and it's so repetitive, and unimaginative. The lyrical content is nothing but rehashed cliches. "Keep it real" Bling Bling" "Uh-huh" "Escalades" "Bentleys and Hummers". f**k they must write that shit while reading Hemmings Motor News. Guns, Drugs, Hos. Stupid mysogonistic, murder glorifying f**kers. That aint rapping about a lifestyle, that's rapping about what record companies think sells to white kids.
Now I like a small percentage of hiphop because of the poetic and story telling aspect of it. The genre really lends itself well to experimenting with samples and sounds, and I'm often amazed when a producer takes an alternative approach to beat making/instrumentation.
And I always like an MC who is not afraid to smile. You look at The Source or whatever and every rapper tries to look like they are getting a mug shot. Man that's so played out, and I like it when a rapper shows some personality. I really like old school rap because of this, because back then being happy and having a good time wasn't something that was considered uncool.
Now I like a small percentage of hiphop because of the poetic and story telling aspect of it. The genre really lends itself well to experimenting with samples and sounds, and I'm often amazed when a producer takes an alternative approach to beat making/instrumentation.
And I always like an MC who is not afraid to smile. You look at The Source or whatever and every rapper tries to look like they are getting a mug shot. Man that's so played out, and I like it when a rapper shows some personality. I really like old school rap because of this, because back then being happy and having a good time wasn't something that was considered uncool.
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- KVRAF
- 6596 posts since 21 Jun, 2004 from Secret Underground Hideout
http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewto ... 5377#15377
here are some loops. these aren't for the taking. i'd like to know if anyone can rap to them. if so, i'd like to hear it. i'm interested in working with someone who has sense of humor. lemmie know
here are some loops. these aren't for the taking. i'd like to know if anyone can rap to them. if so, i'd like to hear it. i'm interested in working with someone who has sense of humor. lemmie know
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fateamenabletochange fateamenabletochange https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8029 - KVRAF
- 3062 posts since 13 Jul, 2003 from outer rim
the polynesians down here are doing some damm good hiphop,Che Capt.Kapisi,that is quite intricate,with a good message.
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
No offense, but motherf*** 50 Cent & the G-Unit (read: Gay-Unit)!!!Chase wrote:you would like '50 cent - love it or hate it'TVD wrote:Apart from OutKast, The Black Eyed Peas, Dead Prez, and (maybe) Jay-Z, the only thing about rap that I'm not happy about is that there isn't too many of the other styles of rap that are getting enough promotion like it should.
Everything is all gangsta, bling-bling, & crunk.
I'll explain the rest of the story later.......
These jackasses are a perfect example of everything that is dead wrong with Mainstream rap/hip-hop right now.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I did read the first three pages!androidlove wrote:deastman wrote:really don't have time to read the entire thingdeastman wrote:I hate most rap/hiphop, for the same reasons most people here have already stated
...but I've only had a total of 10 minutes for KVR this whole weekend 
We now return you to the xoxos debacle currently in progress.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hopTVD wrote:Apart from OutKast, The Black Eyed Peas, Dead Prez, and (maybe) Jay-Z, the only thing about rap that I'm not happy about is that there isn't too many of the other styles of rap that are getting enough promotion like it should.
Everything is all gangsta, bling-bling, & crunk.
I'll explain the rest of the story later.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rap
http://www.zulunation.com/afrika.html
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- KVRist
- 32 posts since 13 Jun, 2005
emdot_ambien pretty much said it but I gotta say..
I like rap that has been put a worthy effort toward and not just pulled outta the dirt onto a CD and slapped on with a repetitive beat..
I like some rap.. Eminem's older tracks and some of his new ones..
I also like Snoop Doggy Dog..
But a lot of it is just lazy ass talking..
Battleguard
I like rap that has been put a worthy effort toward and not just pulled outta the dirt onto a CD and slapped on with a repetitive beat..
I like some rap.. Eminem's older tracks and some of his new ones..
I also like Snoop Doggy Dog..
But a lot of it is just lazy ass talking..
Battleguard