Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?

[Soarer]

Just play the game and you'll get to love Hip Hop!8)

[fateamenabletochange]

and I disagree Andrew Vernon,listen to more hip hop,we are more evolutionary advanced because our history is shorter in NZ,and we don't gas and kill people here ....we don't put people in chains.......alot of hiphop is the accumulated expression of anger at the dispossed and the desparate being vivisected by act of parliament,wrought asunder by cruel men and their dog women who are so f**king hoity toity ,and draw up lines on the map and decide which country will be which country,despots of colonialism,but are really cockroaches,but they have all the power and they have all the money,and they get their buddies to legislate to their advantage.People that haven't lived in the third world don't understand hiphop.nice comfortable jocks and preppies don't understand hiphop,you who have never wanted for nothing,you who are so comfortable and sure of you're selves,and who have never been cold and unable to sleep because of hunger.Rap and hiphop are often about anger at institional and constitutional racism,or hurt or injustice and of course if these things have never occured to you,and you are a comfortable little preppie,yes the music won't mean anything to you.

[Amberience]

and I disagree Andrew Vernon,listen to more hip hop,we are more evolutionary advanced because our history is shorter in NZ,and we don't gas and kill people here ....we don't put people in chains.......alot of hiphop is the accumulated expression of anger at the dispossed and the desparate being vivisected by act of parliament,wrought asunder by cruel men and their dog women who are so f**k hoity toity ,and draw up lines on the map and decide which country will be which country,despots of colonialism,but are really cockroaches,but they have all the power and they have all the money,and they get their buddies to legislate to their advantage.People that haven't lived in the third world don't understand hiphop.nice comfortable jocks and preppies don't understand hiphop,you who have never wanted for nothing,you who are so comfortable and sure of you're selves,and who have never been cold and unable to sleep because of hunger.Rap and hiphop are often about anger at institional and constitutional racism,or hurt or injustice and of course if these things have never occured to you,and you are a comfortable little preppie,yes the music won't mean anything to you.

Look, you can get on your little anti-capitalism, anti-America, anti-rich man soap box... or you can listen to me.

I don't want to listen to more hip-hop. The hip-hop I have heard is dogshit, and has really put me off the genre. I am not some little preppie, for f**k sake, why do you have to label everyone into these little catagories? You sound like a fecking high school kid. I'm 20, and even I stopped labelling people stupid school labels when I was 16.

I just use the label c**t nowadays.

[fateamenabletochange]

no,it is difficult listening to you.
you are without experience,my point exactly.I am 50.
check out some polynesian hiphop.
Stick a feather in your cap and call it macaroni.
not anti america preppie,anti colonialism.....we in the south pacific are working our way thru it ,iraqi's got no chance.
the dogshit is in your mind preppie and you have decribed yourself to me like you a preppie,which I know and you don't ,so hello NZ,and the proof is that you really don't like it preppie.that's what has got your dander up preppie,because you really are a preppie.

[Amberience]

Ok, so you're older and therefore you know more. End of discussion. Arrogant prick.

[ultimo]

What hip-hop means to me,

is musical extension.
An Introduction to sampling,
SP-1200, LinnDrum, EPS/ASR, Obreheim DMX, MPC60...
appreciation for other styles,
from soul, jazz and funk to
film-scores, hard-rock and classical.
people call it a culture,
'cause it containz more than rap...
breakdance, graffiti, dj'ing,
politicz, spoken word even more...
that's subliminal!!!

diggin in record-crates,
reading the sample-clearance on Rap-cds
dusting of rare funk/jazz session-LPs
bringing blue note, capitol, verve
to a new generation of people.
Hip-hop, the most versitile style
of them all... there is no equal!!!

Ulti-Mo'


People don't really know what impact Hip-Hop had and has on computer-music today...
Thinking about roger Linn/Akai 950, Rhodes, EMU, SL-1200, sampling in general...
Using breakbeatz, Chopping drumsounds out of loops, etcs..
filtering basslines, creating new instruments with samples, hell... composing with samples. introducing the turntable as an instrument!
There is no other Musical style that's describing a intercity life-style in such a story-telling way, and evolves with time if the style demands that (ok, jazz has the same nature).
And I think other people that are operating in a complete other genre (portishead, st. germain, air even prodigy in their early dayz) are benefiting from the pioneers-work that hip-hop has done (If you don’t believe me go on and ask them).

I think I wouldn’t pick up my classical piano lessons anymore if it wasn't reintroduced by hip-hop to me.
Hell, some jazz labels calling hip-hop producers to make a selection out of their
discography to reissue songs on cds. Why do you think they reissue so much of the rare funk/jazz-rock albums?

Pointing it all to 50-cent and those kinda guyz is just generalizing. If you want to end your knowledge there than you don't want to know enough of Hip-Hop.

At least for me I know that hip-hop gives me a broader view at music.
If it wasn't for hip-hop I would be generalizing like all those people do with hip-hop.
And now I know for sure that, allot of psychedelic, classical music, funk, jazz, soul, rock n'roll, rock, etc.. music has a WHOLE LOT OF CRAP TOO!!! (all because of hip-hop ).

Nowadayz I don't listen allot to the mainstream, 'cause most of the commercial stuff is under the level that Hip-hop used to be.
If you want to listen to hip-hop at its best I will take an album from 1990-96…

[fateamenabletochange]

no,not end of discussion.shall I switch to hyde park and give a political message to black people which I'm sure you would just love to have a chew at.
not arrogant,am 50,can't help that ,had lot of misfortune in my life,.and you won't know that one of the characteristics of our nation [and the aussies] is care for the underdog ,which doesn't happen in your thinking that is why you don't want to listen to hiphop.

[Amberience]

Its my observation that people who've had a lot of misfortune in their life have done something to warrant it. I've noticed the people who most often complain to me about their misfortunes never do anything to get themselves out of it.

I care for the underdog. I don't like hiphop. You're a f**king idiot for making your correlation. I don't care how old you are, you sound like an inexperienced bitter little child.

[fateamenabletochange]

ultimo.....ultimo.
I have quite extensive blue note vinyl collection and I like hiphop and rap.thanks for your rap man.I wouldn't have picked up my classical training if it hadn't been for the blend...and hey...now I can play like I didn't play before.

[gambaytheunspoken]

What kind of rap, what kind of hip hop? It always helps to be specific as possible to avoid offending. Speaking in the abstract, I can't say that I like rap or hip hop, although I do enjoy some on certain days. The thing is that americans being americans have pissed and shat all over a great art form, in the same way they've pissed all over jazz. They just don't know what they have. i've heard some truly fantastic italian and arabic rap, and that shit was fresh and alive and funky. All depends what you do with the medium and your material I guess. Having said this, the best hip-hop/rap cd I've ever heard was by the saxophonist Gary Thomas (plays with John McLaughlin) but sadly it's out of print.

[fateamenabletochange]

sorry to burst your bubble but really sometimes your wife dies you lose your reputation....shit happens and in your limited experience preppie people don't help themselves.Hey preps,I'm helping myself right now,trying to introduce to you the concept of shame for your peurile judgementalness and your black and white thinking and your general all round preppiness.

[Amberience]

I haven't judged you at all. I believe I was talking about people in my past. I never made the connection to you, you made that connection yourself.

Don't put your bagage on me.

[gambaytheunspoken]

Actually, the Gary THomas cd isn't out of print. For those interested, it's called "Overkill."
Ciao.

[Stupid American Pig]

Speaking in the abstract, I can't say that I like rap or hip hop, although I do enjoy some on certain days. The thing is that americans being americans have pissed and shat all over a great art form, in the same way they've pissed all over jazz.

You dont think that it is more an issue that the labels are only marketing the formulaic, crappy artists?

Honestly, I think that the problem with crappy hip hop is the same issue with the music industry in general, but on a slightly larger scale because hip hop out sells everything else these days.

A label doesnt want to take a chance on "exploring the art" anymore, they want artists to be gun-toting , hennesey drinking Pimps that make songs with a catchy hook.

Further, producing a pop/hip hop record is downright cheap compared to other genres, since a capable producer can make do with a drum machine, PC and handful of synths and samplers in a home studio.

[oldevil]

this thread is degenerating---now we've got some nz'er calling people 'preppie', coping a genuine anti-american attitude...nz has a lot of blood-sucking misquitos-apparently that's not all that sucks in nz...go back to your sheepwife, she bleats for you...