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Katanaman · Post by **Katanaman** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:43 pm

luCiPHer wrote:i have to admit, a lot of music i listen to may have been invented by black people, but i usually prefer "white intrepretations" of it...

I kind of feel the same way... I realised that just now... While many styles were invented by black people, white people often bring innovations in the genre(take the Beastie Boys and Eminem for hip hop, Aphex Twin for techno and squarepusher for drum n bass), while the black people eventually get dull and repetitious(that's in the case of hip hop and drum n bass, not sure about the other cases).

Oh, and just so this thread doesn't turn into a Jerry Springer episode:

That just goes to show that all the races working together may bring us the best music

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:43 pm

soulkraka wrote:How many of these genres are black innovations? how many are white?

BLACK: All the enduring, popular ones but none of the good ones.
WHITE: All of the good ones, none of the enduring popular ones.

That said, I readily admit that I like black music (so I am biased) and dont always like the results when the style mutates and starts getting produced by whites (ie TARNCE, limp bisquik etc).

I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence. Its how I divide the rock music I like from the rock I don't like - British rock has far less blues influence in general and American rock [I don't like] is tainted by blues influence.
Just to be clear, these are my labels and there are British rock bands doing American rock [Dire Straits] and American rock bands who do British rock [Green Day]. But the point is that the black influence ruins it every time.

cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:46 pm

soulkraka wrote:
cron wrote:To my surprise, there was one (white) girl and a black guy. It turned out the black guy had the wrong room, and the girl dropped out at the end of the first semester. Very depressing.
but funny

Indeed

. At the end of the day, I think cultural diversity (but not, of course, exclusivity) is vastly preferable to the postmodern monoculture that many in this thread seem to wish existed.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:46 pm

BONES wrote: the black influence ruins it every time.

rofl...I just listened to the music on your page and.....you use breakbeats in some of your songs!

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:48 pm

LBN wrote:
soulkraka wrote:feel free to blow me at any time....
NO YUO!

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:50 pm

BONES wrote:But the point is that the black influence ruins it every time.

OMFG!!!!1 YOU HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE RACIST!!!!!111!1

nibbzious · Post by **nibbzious** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:56 pm

If there were no such thing as funky breakbeats, I would almost certainly cease to exist.

cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:56 pm

Katanaman wrote:While many styles were invented by black people, white people often bring innovations in the genre(take the Beastie Boys and Eminem for hip hop, Aphex Twin for techno and squarepusher for drum n bass), while the black people eventually get dull and repetitious(that's in the case of hip hop and drum n bass, not sure about the other cases).

That just goes to show that all the races working together may bring us the best music

If you were to give me a Squarepusher/Aphex Twin record from 2000 and one from 2005, I think I'd find it very, very hard to place which came first. Give me 2 hip hop records from 2000-2005 on the other hand...

As for the last bit, that's conducive to the kind of monoculture I'm dead against. Not picking on you or anything, just wanted to reply to the first bit. The last bit can be applied to half the posters in the thread.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:56 pm

My theory:

black = groove
white = neurosis

i like both.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:59 pm

cptgone wrote:My theory:

black = groove
white = neurosis

i like both.

hehe...good one. me too.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:03 pm

cron wrote:
If you were to give me a Squarepusher/Aphex Twin record from 2000 and one from 2005, I think I'd find it very, very hard to place which came first. Give me 2 hip hop records from 2000-2005 on the other hand...

ok...project blowed from '94 vs. any commercial hip hop out now.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:05 pm

BONES wrote:
soulkraka wrote:How many of these genres are black innovations? how many are white?
BLACK: All the enduring, popular ones but none of the good ones.
WHITE: All of the good ones, none of the enduring popular ones.

That said, I readily admit that I like black music (so I am biased) and dont always like the results when the style mutates and starts getting produced by whites (ie TARNCE, limp bisquik etc).
I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence. Its how I divide the rock music I like from the rock I don't like - British rock has far less blues influence in general and American rock [I don't like] is tainted by blues influence.
Just to be clear, these are my labels and there are British rock bands doing American rock [Dire Straits] and American rock bands who do British rock [Green Day]. But the point is that the black influence ruins it every time.

my lord how stupid can one opinion make a man look?

cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:09 pm

Project blowed came first.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:09 pm

soulkraka I think that its a mixture of things the world
is taking toll on itself and society is trying its best not to take responsibility for its actions, color is a factor in things no matter what people living in denial want to believe and thats whether the color is white black or green in this country at least it still matters very much especialy on subtle levels that people
try to hide from everyday, and of course the results of that can be felt throughout our environment and of course our arts.

and on the other hand people need time to forget things
so that when they come back around they seem more like innovations and I believe that right now technology is making it harder for us to forget making the new revelations slower to come by. I make hiphop and sometimes I think man what would happen if all of the rappers just stopped using tritons and shit like that and just used a dj only, even though thats how hiphop started it would still make it seem very innovative.

butter: soulkraka is a white guy I think, but he's not saying that he hates all white people and loves all black people and you aren't paying attention to what he's talking about imho, I think you believe in unity among all people and I'm black, but pro human. I believe
in unity among all people too, but there is no need to be so defensive cause that notion is not being challenged here.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:10 pm

BONES wrote:British rock has far less blues influence in general and American rock [I don't like] is tainted by blues influence.
Just to be clear, these are my labels

You obviously aren't going very far back historically with your 'british' rock (which paid a great deal of homage to blues at a time when in america it was still considered 'black' music - in the pejorative sense).
So i'm quite clear that these are your own labels.

Black innovation?