new fruity stuff

[soma]

Hmmm... I wish for two things that probably will never happen. (until then I'll just use the demo as a tool.)

1) a modular "mixer" a la Buzz
2) some improvements of the audio tracks and audio clip handling. I look to either tracktion or Live for these.

What you need is to buy energy XT and use that as a plugin within your host. Best of both worlds.

- bManic

Been using eXT for about a year now. I prefer to use one peice of software if possible.
[edit] but there are some things in FL that I wish other hosts had.

[audiojunkie]

FL6 Likely and Possible Inclusions from samplecity

* A New and Improved Mixer

* Sustain

* Multiple MIDI in's

* Fruity Browser "Search" capabilities

* Minor software bug fixes

* Dynamic Loops plug-in

* Chrome plug-in (visual effects)

* Aguru's Directwave Sampler plug-in

* MTC Wrapper plug-in

* Fruity Squeeze plug-in

* Vocoder VSTi plug-in

* DrumSynth Live plug-in

* SimSynth Live plug-in (bug fixes)

* FPC2 plug-in (8 banks of 16 pads, ADSR envelopes, FX, kit & loop library

* Slayer plug-in (slides and per-note parameters will be added)

* Fruity Scratcher plug-in (w/ 2 turntables)

* Fruity Reverb 2 plug-in

* EQUO (I'm not sure what this is supposed to be--maybe some kind of EQ plug-in?)

* Fruity Multiband Compresser plug-in (3 band)

* Fruity Envelope Controller plug-in

* Probably other internal software improvements

Rember, when I wrote this, I also added several caveats. This came from information and speculation based upon comments that I gathered from Looptalk. This is by no means a guarantee that these things will be included.

Also, it is likely that the Directwave sampler will be more of a Directwave player than a true sampler. The editor will likely cost extra. But then again, remember, they can change there minds on this too. Also, I recently found some evidence in my searching of looptalk that a limited form of PDC may possibly be included. But remember this is all speculation.

--Sean

[ouroboros]

FL studio amazes me as they continue to exceed my expectations year after year -- that whole crew is a bunch of over-acheivers.

I wonder if they are ever going to take a break; they deserve one.

I just hope GOL and company do not get burned out doing this.

amen. what a fantastic product. If Gol, JMC, et al are reading this; take tonight off and have a beer!

[arguru]

Also, it is likely that the Directwave sampler will be more of a Directwave player than a true sampler.

Edit: sorry, didnt read post well. I dont have information about this.

[hoffy]

I want PDC. I want to see FL communicate with my hardware devices. I don't like Fruitys Piano Roll. I want to be able to use my multiple output VST's. I would really like to see FL communicate with my hardware devices.

Why is everyone so excited about more plugins? There's thousand of wonderful freebies out there. Wouldn't everyone prefer to see the application improve itself? Surely there's nothing too exciting about getting one more delay?

oh. and a search function on the browser. Brilliant =).

[soma]

Oh and I wish their GUI wasn't so.... ?Cartoony?
I know there are skins but how far do those go? Do they skin teh native plugins?
I feel stupid being so caddy. Ignore this please.

[Left Headphone]

I want PDC. I want to see FL communicate with my hardware devices. I don't like Fruitys Piano Roll. I want to be able to use my multiple output VST's. I would really like to see FL communicate with my hardware devices.

Why is everyone so excited about more plugins? There's thousand of wonderful freebies out there. Wouldn't everyone prefer to see the application improve itself? Surely there's nothing too exciting about getting one more delay?

oh. and a search function on the browser. Brilliant =).

What he said... Plus freeze, and better mixer... and yeah emphasis on PDC and Freeze...

[hoffy]

Yep. A better mixer is needed. And a complete graphic overhaul. And i would like to be able to use Windows shortcuts inside FL; you know, like when i press Alt+F, i want to see the File menu drop down. And FL needs a whole lot more options when rendering- for example, the option of rendering a file to mono (which is all i ever really do). There are more things i've whinged about before, so i'll leave it at that.

Still, its a great program.

[audiojunkie]

Also, it is likely that the Directwave sampler will be more of a Directwave player than a true sampler.

Edit: sorry, didnt read post well. I dont have information about this.

I only quoted the staff.

-Sean

[jmh]

I want to see FL communicate with my hardware devices.

Hmm... it does. You mean something more advanced like some of the Big Boys do? I can see that as useful indeed, but I assume it's a tall order - and not necessarily what the apparent focus group in IL's view needs...

(Somehow I'm beginning to feel that apps like FL are suffering from targetting the lowest common nominator...)

I don't like Fruitys Piano Roll.

Eh? It's by far the best one I've come across... by far. No stupid tool switching, select the correct tool and you can carry out *everything* without switching tools, just by using modifier keys. And the modifier keys work logically, not some weird monkey business with "first alt-click, then press shift and drag to alter a parameter". And the extra tools that are available without switching tools (cutting notes springs to mind).

Compare to Cubase, energyXT, Live,Tracktion, Orion ... FL has the smoothest one. Sonar is the only host I'm not familiar with but somehow I find it rather impossible for it to have a better piano roll.

I want to be able to use my multiple output VST's.

But you can. It might not be the most elegant solution, as it assumes the user is in charge of things. But they're supported all right.

And a complete graphic overhaul.

Ahemm... I'd love to hear what you have in mind. I don't think it's the prettiest interface around, but still, I rank it rather high. The overall dark scheme works for prolonged sessions. Of course some things could be improved, but I guess it's again about catering the "needs" of the target audience.

And i would like to be able to use Windows shortcuts inside FL; you know, like when i press Alt+F, i want to see the File menu drop down.

Although I'm a mouse oriented person, yep. It's standard Windows functionality after all. While at it, customizable shortcuts. Just like the bigger boys in about any software category do. There's a plenty of shortcuts, but the keyboard juggling associated with it, urgh. I prefer it when I can customize the shortcuts so that tasks related to each other are accessible without even altering the hand's position on the keyboard (it makes work in graphic apps a breeze).

And FL needs a whole lot more options when rendering- for example, the option of rendering a file to mono (which is all i ever really do).

This one I don't really get... as about anything I can think of doing with rendered pieces works in apps I use just nicely in stereo.

Oh and I wish their GUI wasn't so.... ?Cartoony?
I know there are skins but how far do those go? Do they skin teh native plugins?

Cartoony (or toyish as is often said) to one person is useful, nice, not-eye-straining to another one... Skinnability would be a bonus, but from what I've gathered, it ain't gonna happen as the skins people made in the past have been horrible...

I've only seen a few skinning efforts, mostly here on KVR and they've been just that... amateurish, no effort in legibility, or even the overall coherency.

PDC and freeze, hell yeah. The last time these were discussed (meaning when I participated in the discussion), it was said those are practically impossible due to all the routing etc. FL has. Which I can understand to a degree - but when you look at how other equally or more complex apps are able to pull it off... and the comment that "there's only a few plugins that need PDC". That was just appalling. While still a minority (remember, up to 49% is still minority ), there's a lot of plugins around that need it, and a lot of the really good ones. Ok, once again, stuff like EQs, compressors, convolution plugins and so on, some of which cost more than FL itself apparently aren't things the "target audience" uses... pfft

It's a great app, no doubt about that. But it needs to roll with the times. Pretty soon it's the only kid on the block that don't have features that are considered not only necessary but available in every other host...

Regards,

JMH

[Distorted_Mastermind]

Even without a GUI change I think it would be great to be able to cut parts in the playlist down to a 1 beat. It can be a pain in the workflow to have to copy something just to cut out part of it. It's possible I might have missed something. Overall being able to see waveforms and midi would be a huge huge bonus.

[blurk]

Edit: The following paragraph is incorrect. I'm leaving it as is though, as some of the followup posts correcting it won't make sense if I just delete it.

One of the main things that bugs me about the FL GUI is how (despite being graphically groovy) it is stuck in an old-fashioned user interface style where all the internal windows (except for the browser) are clipped to the main application window (i.e. the multi-document interface, for those programmer types out there). This sucks in a dual head setup. I don't want to stretch the main FL window over two monitors so I can use all that screen real estate. I just want to be able to drag the playlist window all the way over to the 2nd monitor to sit there on its own.

FL is quite featureful, and its usability has improved over the years, but too many things are still quirky. Still, I guess most people want features features features over usability. I'm sure that's what the FL devs are more interested in working on.

[geoslake]

playlist->view->detach

[ceenda]

One of the main things that bugs me about the FL GUI is how (despite being graphically groovy) it is stuck in an old-fashioned user interface style where all the internal windows (except for the browser) are clipped to the main application window (i.e. the multi-document interface, for those programmer types out there). This sucks in a dual head setup. I don't want to stretch the main FL window over two monitors so I can use all that screen real estate. I just want to be able to drag the playlist window all the way over to the 2nd monitor to sit there on its own.

Click the small icon at the top-left of the Playlist window. Go into the "View" sub-menu and select "Detach". Drag the Playlist anywhere you like on the desktop.

[ceenda]

gah... too slowwww