new fruity stuff

[geoslake]

lol
Again a guy who doesnt read help files.
A simple search with "second monitor" and he would have find that in FLS help file.

[jmh]

Judging from recent FL related issues (just helped someone longtime FL user here on KVR with the selection "leds") lead me to believe most users simply don't bother...

I guess in this day and age people assume that since it's inside the computer, it should do their work for them

Regards,

JMH

[Distorted_Mastermind]

One of the things that attracted me to FL was the ease of use. One of the things I hate about it are the elitist forums and appearantly the developers as well.
Improvements on the GUI could make it even easier to use. I make music to calm my nerves and relax. I make music for the love of music. Software comes and goes. Ease of use is key for me, so I can focus on what is the most important and that is the music.

[JMC]

Take for example those time markers....

The time marker functionality has been expanded and you can now jump to the next time marker using keyboard shortcuts, midi controller of multimedia keyboard.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[tony tony chopper]

note that you already could jump to the next song marker using the numpad . key. It's jumping to the previous marker that you couldn't do.

[jmh]

jmc Cool

Haven't had that much time with the 5.02c demo, so my commentary was based on what I remember from the previous demo version (most likely 5.02)

Regards,

JMH

[jzero]

Judging from recent FL related issues (just helped someone longtime FL user here on KVR with the selection "leds") lead me to believe most users simply don't bother...

I agree about the monitors... He should have looked in the help file. However, I am the person that you helped and I resent the mischaracterization above. I am NOT a user who "doesn't bother". I've read the help file on numerous occasions. I've also created tutorial flps and flash movies to assist other users. That doesn't mean I remember every nuance of the help file or should be expected to.

Straying off topic now...
GUIs are easiest when they follow Windows conventions. I'm not talking about happy doofuss XP color schemes, just the way things operate.

For example:
Left-clicking on small items that can be filled or empty is a standard windows paradigm (the option button). In this way, the FL Studio channel selection mechanism makes perfect sense. As for right-clicking on the same options for mult-select, this is not as intuitive. Since right-clicking in windows is typically for popup-menus I could see many people never even clicking on the leds with the right button. In addition, having two selection options makes it easy to overlook the leds since the channel settings button is much larger.

I'm not saying these are bad (please no flames)... They're just a departure from the norm. This departure from the expected (how other controls in windows applications work) can make a feature easy to overlook.

Next time, please consider that an overlooked feature may be a testament to the depth of the software or simply a reflection of the developer's design choices, not the apathy of the user.

[Rajah]

lol
Again a guy who doesnt read help files.
A simple search with "second monitor" and he would have find that in FLS help file.

And not even a Thank-You to ceenda for the help..

[jmh]

Judging from recent FL related issues (just helped someone longtime FL user here on KVR with the selection "leds") lead me to believe most users simply don't bother...

I agree about the monitors... He should have looked in the help file. However, I am the person that you helped and I resent the mischaracterization above. I am NOT a user who "doesn't bother". I've read the help file on numerous occasions. I've also created tutorial flps and flash movies to assist other users. That doesn't mean I remember every nuance of the help file or should be expected to.

Straying off topic now...
GUIs are easiest when they follow Windows conventions. I'm not talking about happy doofuss XP color schemes, just the way things operate.

For example:
Left-clicking on small items that can be filled or empty is a standard windows paradigm (the option button). In this way, the FL Studio channel selection mechanism makes perfect sense. As for right-clicking on the same options for mult-select, this is not as intuitive. Since right-clicking in windows is typically for popup-menus I could see many people never even clicking on the leds with the right button. In addition, having two selection options makes it easy to overlook the leds since the channel settings button is much larger.

I'm not saying these are bad (please no flames)... They're just a departure from the norm. This departure from the expected (how other controls in windows applications work) can make a feature easy to overlook.

Next time, please consider that an overlooked feature may be a testament to the depth of the software or simply a reflection of the developer's design choices, not the apathy of the user.

Please except my apologies. I didn't mean it like that, hence I didn't mention any names.

What I said was a generalisation, should have wrote a disclaimer about that.

And yes, you're not expected to remember every little about all the features. I wrote my help to you based on memory (bear in mind, I'm not a FL user, but a demo version has been on my machine since ages and gets updated to the latest demo every now and then) and then checked out what was said in the help file. I'm not accusing you of laziness (I really couldn't, after what you just wrote!), but it is explained - at least to a degree - in the manual.

And I agree about following Windows conventions whenever possible. It smooths the learning curve a lot and provides an overall better user experience.

And yeah, it's not necessarily apathy from the user's part. I'm just one of those persons who go the extra mile and most of the time read manuals thoroughly, since so many apps nowaways provide functions straying from the "norm".

Guess how I feel about Orion and its stubborn halfassed way of dealing with closing plugin windows as deleting them?-) There was a long discussion about that, the point that it works differently to every other application (not just music apps) was completely lost and/or ignored, and from what I can remember the developer himself didn't comment, he let us users fight it over without even bothering to explain why he chose such an unconvential function for the "close" button in window's upper right corner.

Regards,

JMH

[jzero]

Please except my apologies.

Accepted

Guess how I feel about Orion and its stubborn halfassed way of dealing with closing plugin windows as deleting them?

So you think it's a charming and innovative then, huh?

[blurk]

playlist->view->detach

Crap! How long has that feature been there? Thanks for the info.

Again a guy who doesnt read help files.
A simple search with "second monitor" and he would have find that in FLS help file.

It's a fair cop guv. It didn't occur to me that multiple monitor support would be mentioned in the help files. After all, in my defense, in other apps it just works, and doesn't need documenting.

...

OK, I've checked the help file now, and tried out the detached mode and one of my points still stands. The detached view looks like an afterthought for those with multiple monitors. Some windows are detachable, others not. Looks a bit arbitrary to me. And the detached windows sit in front of the main window, which sucks if you like overlapping windows, and pushing less used windows behind. So, as I said, the devs are making usability improvements, but FL is still quirky. Then again, I also have usability issues with dual head support in Bidule.

Aaah, don't mind me. While I haven't developed any music software, I am a software developer by day, and so get fussy about some things that really don't matter to most people. I'm looking forward to the FL updates as much as rest of you.

And not even a Thank-You to ceenda for the help..

I assume this is directed at me. I'll admit, I posted my message then went home. I wasn't really expecting an almost immediate response. I've only just checked the responses now. I'm more than happy to thank everyone who provided the correction.

[tony tony chopper]

FL -just like any other app- will stretch over your 2 monitors if you.. stretch the main window over your 2 monitors.

[blurk]

FL -just like any other app- will stretch over your 2 monitors if you.. stretch the main window over your 2 monitors.

I know that. That is how I have been running it until I was advised about the detach feature. I just think it shouldn't be necessary. And, of course, it isn't with the features noted.

I just have a preference to have lots of little independent overlapping windows, not one giant window. It's all about giving the users the flexibility to arrange things the way they want to. But, of couse, it's the audio features that matter the most. So, again, excuse my grumbling. It's just a professional hobby-horse of mine.

[smart]

I don't like Fruitys Piano Roll.

It's easily my favorite. It's so fast and flexible!

[tony tony chopper]

which other app stretches to 2 monitor when maximized? the default behavior is to stretch over the monitor it's on, nothing more. So, just like with any other app, if you want it over your 2 monitors, you stretch the window over your 2 monitors. There's nothing weird in this.